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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

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    • 4.1 • 2.9K Ratings

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

    Discord CEO Jason Citron makes the case for a smaller, more private internet

    Discord CEO Jason Citron makes the case for a smaller, more private internet

    Today, I’m talking to Jason Citron, the co-founder and CEO of Discord, the gaming-focused voice and chat app. You might think Discord is just something Slack for gamers, but over time, it has become much more important than that. For a growing mix of mostly young, very online users steeped in gaming culture, fandom, and other niche communities, Discord is fast becoming the hub to their entire online lives. A lot of what we think of as internet culture is happening on Discord.

    In many ways Discord represents a significant shift away from what we now consider traditional social platforms. As you’ll hear Jason describe it, Discord is a place where you talk and hangout with your friends over shared common interests, whether that’s video games, the AI bot Midjourney, or maybe your favorite anime series. It is a very different kind of interface for the internet, but that comes with serious challenges, especially around child safety and moderation. 
    Links: 


    Discord opens up to games and apps embedded in its chat app — The Verge


    Discord is nuking Nintendo Switch emulator devs and their entire servers — The Verge


    Inside Discord’s reform movement for banned users — The Verge


    Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft — WSJ


    Discord cuts 17% of workers in latest tech layoffs — NYT


    Discord to start showing ads for gamers to boost revenue — WSJ


    Discord says it intentionally does not encrypt user messages — CNN


    How Discord became a social hub for young people — NYT


    ‘Problematic pockets’: How Discord became a home for extremists — WashPo


    Discord CEO Jason Citron on AI, Midjourney — Bloomberg




    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23898955

    Credits:
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Today’s episode was produced by Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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    • 58 min
    Disney just fought off a shareholder revolt — but the clock’s still ticking

    Disney just fought off a shareholder revolt — but the clock’s still ticking

    Today, we're talking about Disney, the massive activist investor revolt it just fought off, and what happens next in the world of streaming. Because what happens to Disney really tells us a lot about what's happening in the entire world of entertainment. Earlier this month, Disney survived an attempted board takeover from businessman Nelson Peltz. While investors ultimately sided with Disney and CEO Bob Iger, the boardroom showdown made something very clear: Disney needs to figure out streaming and get its creative direction back on track. 

    To help me figure all this out, I brought on my friend Julia Alexander, who is VP of Strategy at Parrot Analytics, a Puck News contributor, and most importantly, a former Verge reporter. She's a leading expert on all things Disney, and I always learn something important about the state of the entertainment business when I talk to her. 
    Links: 

    The Story of Disney+ — Puck News


    ​​Disney’s CEO drama explained, with Julia Alexander — Decoder


    Is streaming just becoming cable again? Julia Alexander thinks so — Decoder


    Disney Fends Off Activist Investor for Second Time in 2 Years — NYT


    For Disney, streaming losses and TV’s decline are a one-two punch — NYT


    Disney’s ABC, ESPN weakness adds pressure to make streaming profitable — WSJ


    Disney reportedly wants to bring always-on channels to Disney Plus — The Verge


    The Disney Plus-Hulu merger is way more than a streaming bundle — The Verge


    Disney’s laying off 7,000 as streaming boom comes to an end — The Verge


    The last few years really scared Disney — Screen Rant



    Credits: 
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
    Today’s episode was produced by Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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    • 42 min
    Dropbox CEO Drew Houston wants you to embrace AI and remote work

    Dropbox CEO Drew Houston wants you to embrace AI and remote work

    At the absolute most basic, Dropbox is cloud storage for your stuff — but that puts it at the nexus of a huge number of today’s biggest challenges in tech. As the company that helps you organize your stuff in the cloud itself goes all remote, how do we even deal with the concept of “your stuff?”

    Today I’m talking with Dropbox CEO Drew Houston about those big picture ideas — and why he thinks generative AI really will be transformative for everyone eventually, even if it isn’t yet now.

    Links: 

    Dropbox AI and Dash make it easier to find your files from all over the web | The Verge

    Kids who grew up with search engines could change STEM forever | The Verge

    No, Dropbox's cafeteria didn't get a Michelin star | VentureBeat

    It's official: San Francisco's office vacancy rate just set a record | San Francisco Examiner

    Jeff Bezos: This is the 'smartest thing we ever did' at Amazon | CNBC

    Dropbox is laying off 500 people and pivoting to AI | The Verge

    Congress bans staff use of Microsoft's AI Copilot | Axios


    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23892647

    Credits:
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
    Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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    • 1 hr 4 min
    The rise and fall of Vice Media

    The rise and fall of Vice Media

    Today we’re talking about Vice, the media company: Where it came from, what it did, and, ultimately, why it collapsed into a much smaller, sadder version of itself. 

    This is a lousy time for digital media, and it’s hard to make a profit from putting words on the internet right now. So when Verge senior reporter Liz Lopatto went to go report on what happened, she and I both assumed Vice had been done in by the brutal economics of digital advertising on the web. But the Vice story is more than that — in the word of one executive that talked to Liz, it was a “f*****g clown show.” 

    Links:

    How Vice became 'a fucking clown show' — The Verge


    Vice is abandoning Vice.com and laying off hundreds — The Verge


    Vice, decayed digital colossus, files for bankruptcy — NYT


    Vice Is Basically Dead — New York Magazine


    Shane Smith and the Final Collapse of Vice News — The Hollywood Reporter


    At Vice, cutting-edge media and allegations of old-school sexual harassment — NYT


    HBO cancels ‘Vice News Tonight,’ severing relationship with Vice Media — CNN


    Shane Smith has a secret multimillion-dollar Vice deal — New York Magazine



    Credits: 
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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    • 43 min
    Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender

    Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender

    Cloudflare is an infrastructure provider basically protecting more than 20% of the entire web from bad actors. When everything is going well, you don't even have to know it exists. It's one of the only defenses — sometimes the only defense — standing between websites and the people who want to take them down.

    Protecting free speech on the internet around the world, across war zones and hundreds of different kinds of government, is no easy feat. That puts the company, and CEO Matthew Prince, right at the heart of some of Decoder's biggest challenges and themes. 

    Links: 

    A Cloudflare outage broke large swathes of the internet | The Verge

    Why security company Cloudflare is protecting U.S. election sites for free | Fast Company

    The Daily Stormer just lost the most important company defending it | The Verge (2017)

    Cloudflare to revoke 8chan’s service, opening the fringe website up for DDoS attacks | The Verge (2019)

    Cloudflare blocks Kiwi Farms due to an ‘immediate threat to human life’ | The Verge

    Why Cloudflare Let an Extremist Stronghold Burn | Wired

    Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince interview on Ukraine cybersecurity | Semafor

    3 ways the ‘splinternet’ is damaging society | MIT Sloan


    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23885440

    Credits:
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
    Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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    • 1 hr 19 min
    Why Nintendo sued a Switch emulator out of existence

    Why Nintendo sued a Switch emulator out of existence

    Hello, and welcome to Decoder. This is David Pierce, editor-at-large at The Verge and co-host of The Vergecast, subbing in for Nilay, who’s out on vacation. Regular Decoder programming returns next week. In the meantime, we have an exciting episode for you today all about video game emulation, which, as it turns out, is a whole lot more complicated than it seems. 

    Gaming emulation made headlines recently because one of the most widely used programs for emulating the Nintendo Switch, a platform called Yuzu, was effectively sued out of existence. There’s a whole lot going on here, from the history of game emulation to the copyright precedents of emulators to how the threat of game piracy still looms large in the industry. To break down this topic, I brought Verge Senior Editor and resident emulation expert Sean Hollister on the show. Let’s get into it. 

    Links:

    Nintendo sues Switch emulator Yuzu — The Verge


    Nintendo Switch emulator Yuzu will fold and pay $2.4M to settle its lawsuit — The Verge


    Steve Jobs announcing a PlayStation emulator for the Mac — YouTube


    Fans freak out as Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom leaks two weeks early — Kotaku


    Tears of the Kingdom Was Pirated 1 Million Times, Nintendo Claims — Kotaku


    The solid legal theory behind Nintendo’s new emulator takedown effort — Ars Technica


    How Nintendo’s destruction of Yuzu is rocking the emulator world — The Verge


    How strong is Nintendo’s legal case against Switch-emulator Yuzu? — Ars Technica



    Credits: 
    Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. 
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    • 43 min

Customer Reviews

4.1 out of 5
2.9K Ratings

2.9K Ratings

chrispauley ,

Nilay is a great interviewer

Nilay has been incredibly thoughtful in his structure for interviews. The “decoder questions” always come but there’s so much more to each discussion. He is not hesitant to push on guests when needed. He is also able to communicate concepts that I’m not sure I would otherwise care about or maybe not understand why they’re important.

WBSupreme ,

May Revisit

I started listening when the podcast first launch and found the experience mostly unsatisfying. I have always appreciated Nilay’s perspective, however, the interviews felt very shallow and repetitive to me: someone who has a clear stake in a position comes on and avoids answering any difficult questions with little charge by the host. I would finish each episode having learned nothing from the guest and the show soon lost any appeal for me. However, it looks like they have added some shows that do not center around guest interviews so I may revisit some of these newer episodes to see their value for me.

JayAtFlight ,

Second episode > normal episode

The second episodes are fantastic! I love listening to Nilay just explain things. Love it.

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