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Deena Aljuhani Abdulaziz was drawn to fashion from a young age, devouring issues of Vogue and Tatler. This led her to set up D’NA, a members-only boutique based in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. 10 years later when she closed her boutique, she became the founding editor in chief of Vogue Arabia – but soon parted ways with the publication due to a misalignment in values.
Now, Aljuhani Abdulaziz is back with her own media publication, on her own terms. ‘Deenathe1st.com’ is an editorial lifestyle website dedicated to fostering a creative community that celebrates Arab culture. 
“What I hold dear is what anybody would hold dear. Representing my culture correctly and fairly,” she says. “And it's not trying to show off Western ideas to the region. It's the other way around. It's showcasing the region and what we share creatively with the rest of the world.”
This week on The BoF Podcast, Aljuhani Abdulaziz joins BoF founder and editor-in-chief Imran Amed to share her career journey, the lessons she’s learned about fostering culture and community, and why the fashion community needs a new publication. 
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Born in California but raised between the US and Saudi Arabia, Aljuhani Abdulaziz is an expert code switcher who’s always felt able to act like a cultural bridge between the two worlds. “It never felt like an effort. It just came naturally. I think that's part of what makes me who I am in a sense,” she shares. “It's not just in figures of speech, but also in how you would interact with people, because there are different customs and traditions in different regions and in different households. It's really about a state of mind.”
Aljuhani Abdulaziz’s first fashion influence was her mother, who she describes as “still very, very chic.” As a child, her discovery of Tatler magazine pushed this passion even further. “I picked it up and I opened up its pages and I was like, ‘Oh my goodness, this is it!’ I was just so grateful and happy that it existed.” 
 Aljuhani Abdulaziz’s stint at Vogue Arabia ended abruptly after just two months. “I understood the responsibility of being a voice for a very big region, being Arab myself,” she said.  “I think there was a point when that didn't align and the visions were not parallel.”
Looking to the future, Aljuhani Abdulaziz says she is building her editorial lifestyle platform ‘Deenathe1st.com’ on the basis of community, shared values, and kindness. “I think that it's super important to remind people that you don't have to be nasty to be stylish or to be in fashion or to be chic,” she said. “I would love to continue my love letter to Arabia. That's really what I'm trying to do with this site.”
Additional resources
Deena Aljuhani Abdulaziz Exits Vogue Arabia | BoF Vogue Arabia Appoints Manuel Arnaut as Editor-in-Chief | BoF A New Era of Arab-Led Fashion Media | BoF
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As a self-styled “image architect”, Law Roach has earned global recognition for the red carpet looks he has created for some of the most famous — and most photographed — women in the world.
  
But in 2022, when he suddenly announced his retirement on Instagram, writing “If this business was just about the clothes I would do it for the rest of my life but unfortunately it’s not! The politics, the lies and false narratives finally got me! You win…I’m out.”
While Roach continues to work with top clients Celine Dion and Zendaya — he was the mastermind behind Zendaya’s tennis-inspired “Challengers” press tour earlier this year — he’s also pursuing his entrepreneurial ambitions. Later this year,  he will launch a new online learning  platform to train the next generation of stylists. 
“It was hours and hours of me talking with a script writer and being recorded to get out all my processes, from the way I set up a room to style and the psychology of choosing the right dress. So it's super comprehensive and I'm super proud of it. And we’re launching it with me as the very first instructor.”
This week, on the BoF Podcast, Roach joins me to trace his career right from the beginning when he was selling thrifted clothes from the trunk of his friend’s car in the South Side of Chicago and to exclusively share the details of his new online learning platform and what he hopes people will learn from it.
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Roach’s first memories of fashion are from his childhood in Chicago. “My first runway show was church on Sunday morning, watching those women with the hats and the outfits, but high fashion had always been something that was very aspirational but also seen very unattainable at the same time.” He then began his career selling vintage pieces from the trunk of a friend’s car before moving to a brick-and-mortar storefront. “That turned into a revenue stream for me and which then turned into a boutique, which turned into Kanye West coming in one day,” he said. That celebrity attention led to “global recognition about this little store in Chicago.”
Roach has worked with his most high-profile client, Zendaya, since she was a teenager. Back then, he had trouble finding brands that were willing to dress her, which forced him to get creative. “She became one of the best dressed, most looked at stars on the red carpets and had not even worn any of these brands. So at that point I was like, ‘I kind of don't need you.’ We had just worked so hard to make her this thing that everybody wanted without using the traditional tools of getting there,” he shared. 
With his new online learning platform, Roach wants to encourage greater representation and open up opportunities in the industry.  “Ours is a comprehensive collegiate level, educational, educational coursework. Everything that I've used to become who I am is in there.”
Despite the various challenges in his career, Roach’s unwavering self-belief has carried him to where he is today. “No matter how many doors are closed, no matter how many times people ask me to get out of my seat at a fashion show, no matter how many times people say no, I came to L.A. to be considered the best or one of the best, and there was no way that anybody could deter me from that. I really, honestly believed in myself.”
Additional Resources:
The Business of Being Law RoachBlack Stylists Form Collective for Support and Advocacy
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Husband and wife duo Gucci Westman and David Neville’s luxury beauty label Westman Atelier has become an industry favourite, winning fans for its curated collection of cosmetics, holistic approach to beauty and strong focus on ingredients.
“Our customer knows that she's getting something that is clean, is going to perform, is going to be good for her skin, and is going to be a luxury experience she hasn't had before,” said Westman. 
 
“We think about brand-building in the literal sense of building a brand brick by brick. Every day we are building our team, building our capacity, building our assortment, introducing new products,” shared Neville. 

In this conversation from The Business of Beauty Global Forum 2024, Priya Rao, executive editor of The Business of Beauty, sits down with Westman and Neville to discuss how they’re building a multidimensional luxury beauty brand that lasts.

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Growing up in Sweden, Westman said that the importance of high quality ingredients was instilled in her at a young age. “The Swedish lifestyle is all about value over quantity, having a slow burn and really savouring that experience. I think that really informed my ideas around what we should do and how we should do it,” she shared.  
Neville believes that a product focus is crucial to longevity. “We spent about three and a half years prior to launching in the market just developing with a singular focus on our products. That mentality has been with us all along this journey.” 
Westman highlights trust as another essential ingredient to their brand formula. “Our customer knows that she's getting something that is clean, is going to perform, and is going to be good for her skin. I think we've established this sort of loyalty and trust is imperative in this kind of thing.”
To build a brand that lasts, Westman Atelier’s strategy is to take it all one step at a time. “We think about brand-building in the literal sense of building a brand brick by brick. Every day we are building our team, building our capacity, building our assortment, introducing new products. We're building awareness through new customer acquisition, whether that be direct to consumer or through our retail relationships,” said Neville. 
Additional resources
How I Became… A Makeup ArtistCan Gucci Westman Build the Next Great Luxury Beauty Brand?

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Footballer Héctor Bellerín first made a name for himself with his defensive skills on the pitch but it’s his outspoken views and distinctive personal style that have transformed the Spanish right-back into a cultural trailblazer.
Now, Héctor, who has been called “the world’s best-dressed footballer”, is launching a new label, Gospel Estudios, which has served a creative outlet as he continues to play football.
“This was a way to recharge my battery. It was a way of learning something new, do stuff with my hands, trying new things. It was a process of discovery and learning and trial and error,” he says.
This week on The BoF Podcast, Héctor sits down with me to talk about the burgeoning relationship between fashion and football, how he developed his strong sense of personal style, and to share his plans for the launch of Gospel Estudios for the first time on The Business of Fashion.
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After starting his career in Barcelona, Bellerin moved to London in 2011 to play for Arsenal. During his nine years at the club his off-duty style gained him both media admiration and criticism. “I got a lot of stick when I was at Arsenal and things didn’t go well, a lot of people used to say he’s not playing well because he’s focused on fashion,” he says.Héctor Bellerín looked to another footballer, David Beckham, as an example of how to bridge the gap between fashion and sport. “He opened doors for everyone. And I think not just in football, but for men overall … In these very masculine places it’s very hard to be different.”At Gospel Estudios, dependence, rather than independence, is the foundation upon which Bellerín is building his sustainable brand. “My mom works in the studio. My friend’s dad works in the studio. My granddad repaired sewing machines back in the day so he repairs the same machines,” he says. “It’s important to let people know that we are dependent. We are dependent on a lot of people.”Sharing his philosophy on responsible consumption, Bellerín encourages potential buyers of Gospel Estudios to really think about the item in question before they buy it. “Take the time to just breathe and think, is this something that I am ready to have a relationship with? Because this is what it is.”
Additional Resources:

Inside the Big Business of Styling Athletes: NBA stars and footballers are leaning on a network of powerful style consultants to help shape their personal brands outside of their day jobs, laying the groundwork for lucrative brand deals.Why Luxury Brands Want in on Football: Despite the rocky history between fashion and football, luxury brands from Moncler to Dior are looking to benefit from the cultural power and global audience of the world’s most popular sport.How Athletes Became Fashion Week Royalty: It’s not just sports superstars sitting front row at fashion week. Today, luxury labels are looking to work with emerging athletes from niche sports, giving rise to new dealmakers who match brands with eager skateboarders, boxers and rugby players.
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In 2014, in a nondescript basement club in East London, Charles Jeffrey’s Loverboy was born. At the age of 18, the Scottish-born designer moved from Glasgow to London to pursue a BA in Fashion Design at Central Saint Martins and has since earned his place in the long line of highly creative fashion designers coming from the city. With an upcoming exhibition at Somerset House, the one time upstart is ready to look back on 10 years of his brand.
“I'm Charles Jeffrey, I'm not Alexander McQueen, I'm Charles Jeffrey, I'm not Gareth Pugh. I'm Charles Jeffrey, I'm not John Galliano,” he said. “I have a way of looking at fashion and I want to nurture that and see it to its end.”
This week on The BoF Podcast, Jeffrey joins me to share his journey into London’s fashion scene and reflect on the past, present and future of Loverboy, underscoring that he has his own unique vision to contribute to fashion. 
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Jeffrey credits video games for sparking his interest in fashion design. “I was a big geek and me and my friends would play in the forests and play Lord of the Rings with sticks. I would sit and draw the outfits and characters that we would all be. We all had our own alter egos and we would just really live in that world.” 
Since the inception of Loverboy, Jeffrey was conscious of building a brand, and chose not to name the brand after himself. “I could have had a business that was just called Charles Jeffrey but I wanted to keep that Loverboy thing because I felt it was a sticky kind of concept. I could apply it to products, Loverboy tartan, Loverboy polka dot, Loverboy pinstripe, or the Loverboy beanie,” he said. “All these things, you start to give them names; it's the psychology of business and brands and advertising.”
Jeffrey understands that creating core hero products is essential to creating brand loyalty and drawing in customers to discover other products.  “How can I make a beanie, which is a bit of a novelty and a throwaway, something that people will buy from us for another ten years? How do you change the perspective of that to somebody so that they come to us for that but then the psychology of this novelty beanie also makes them think, ‘I bet they do great jumpers or I bet they do a really nice bag’.” 
Looking to the future, Jefrrey’s  aim is to create a sustainable, independent business. “My goal, in the next three to five years, is to build an element of the brand that's not reliant on a wholesale model, that's not relying on the fashion model, per se.” he says. “You can push the brand into all these spaces but if the sell-through isn't right, if you've not got the story behind it, if you've not got the relationship with the clients, it just dies a death.”
Additional resources 
Charles Jeffrey on What It’s Like to Be a Rising Designer in the Midst of a Pandemic Charles Jeffrey Loverboy’s Furious Physicality   A Tang of Revolution at Charles Jeffrey  
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Esteban Cortázar first fell in love with fashion as a teenager growing up in Miami. Over the years, his career in fashion has come with lots of ups and downs. After he became one of the youngest designers to ever present at New York Fashion Week he had to shut his label down. He went on to become the creative director of Emanuel Ungaro at just 22 years old, before leaving after he disagreed with the owners’ plans to bring on Lindsay Lohan as a consultant. He relaunched his eponymous fashion house but it closed during Covid. Now, Esteban is launching ‘Donde Esteban,’ a new brand on his own terms, on his own schedule, celebrating his roots in Colombia, Miami and Ibiza. 
“Where we can lack as young designers or as designers doing independent brands is that it's really like a puzzle,” says Cortazár. “And you have to have all of the pieces in place for it to work. Having an investor is certainly not enough, you really need to have all of the different angles in place, especially today, to be able to sustain a business.”
This week on The BoF Podcast Esteban joins me to share his career journey and the lessons he’s learned about building an independent fashion business today.
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Born to a Colombian painter and former British jazz singer, Cortazár’s childhood straddled continents, lifestyles, and subcultures, all of which has greatly influenced his artistic sensibilities. “I grew up around a very bohemian environment through my family and my parents — colours and paints and oils and instruments. That already set the tone of a very artistic point of view from a very early stage,” he says. 
Emulating what he saw in the fashion magazines he devoured as a teenager, Cortazár’s early shows were always organised to a professional standard despite his young age and lack of training.
Cortazár jumped at the opportunity to become creative director of Ungaro at the age of 22. “I knew how much questioning there was going to be from the industry about me and my age, my experience, my lack of experience. I just took it and I went for it because I knew that that kind of opportunity wouldn't just continue to come like this.”
Heavily influenced by his upbringing, Cortazar’s new label Donde Esteban is somewhat of a homecoming. “My take on fashion has changed and evolved and I wanted to create something that felt so authentically me, that really celebrated the multicultural aspect of my life. The fact that I was born in Colombia, grew up in Miami, then went to New York, then went to Paris, that I spent all my summers in Ibiza.”
Additional resources:
Turning Point | Esteban Cortazar, Comeback Kid | BoFEsteban Cortázar Tackles Fashion's Timing Gap | BoFUnlikely Directions at Esteban Cortazar | BoF 

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