Pop Fiction Women Carinn & Kate

*** NEW INTRO: Carinn and Kate revisit this episode, their first ever, recorded six months and over 25 episodes ago. Everything after the 45 minute mark is original content unlike anything else out there. We hope you enjoy!
Normal People: a slow, deep complicated
*** Complicated Woman Rating - what makes Marianne complicated?
*** The best scenes with Marianne. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love.
*** The cringiest scenes from Marianne. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves.
*** Why Carinn gets in trouble for recommending this book.
*** We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Marianne got to be who she is today. (37:07)
*** We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Sally Rooney, the author of Normal People. (44:47)
*** Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Marianne and Connell ended up after the book was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (58:25)
*** Kate and Carinn discuss the bliss and the weight of really “being seen”. Is it a mirror showing your true self or is it an anchor that won't let you move on and be free? (65:30)
*** Supporting Characters. Which side character did you want more of? Which would you have cut completely? Our answers were Lorraine, Sadie, Lucas and Marianne’s brother, listen to find out where they fell and why. (71:26)
*** Takeaways. Carinn says communication isn't always fun, but it's better than getting it as wrong as Marianne and Connell. Kate thinks transformative love has a profound impact on all your other relationships. (74:35)
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Quick Cap #1 segments

Dare Me Trailer is released

We’ve started watching The Morning Show

Taylor Swift Rolling Stone interview 

How mainstream is astrology?

Jessica Knoll has a real Luckiest Girl Alive moment

Why you should be following Chanel Miller on Instagram

Stay complicated!
Links:
Dare Me trailer on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAxyHv2Nqc
Taylor Swift in Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-rolling-stone-interview-880794/
Astrology https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/28/astrology-in-the-age-of-uncertainty
Chanel Miller white pantsuit power post https://www.instagram.com/p/B4nJG0xgXRD/
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When Harry Met Sally: more complicated than you think

Complicated Woman Rating - what makes Sally Albright complicated?

Sally’s best scenes. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love. (6:45)

Sally’s cringiest scenes. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. (38:30)

We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are. (45:35)

We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Nora Ephron, the screenwriter of WHMS. (53:00)

Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Harry and Sally ended up after the movie was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (1:05:00)

Supporting characters. Here, the best and worst of the married couple interviews and do you even like them? (01:15:00)

Takeaway. Kate and Carinn discuss the thin line between love and hate and ponder whether wine drinkers and beer drinkers can ever really be friends. (01:19:00)

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Love Actually: love, actually, is complicated and Love Actually is complicated too.

A fan favorite but also a critics’ favorite to bash. We face the attacks head on so we can put the cringe behind us and get to the really good stuff. (Starts at 2:06)

Is this even a love story? Carinn argues that romance and love are two different things in the context of a relationship. Kate acknowledges that the movie celebrates love and relationships in all different forms, even if there are some depressing or darker aspects explored. In the end, they agree love is certainly all around. (At 14:46)

Are there complicated women in Love Actually? Absolutely. Emma Thompson, Laura Linney, a young Keira Knightly, Martine McCutcheon. Enough said. (At 19:05)

Best and worst storylines. Carinn plays hopeless romantic as she gushes on the Jamie and Aurelia story (and of course she ties it to a Taylor Swift lyric). Kate cringes at the iconic cue card scene where Mark declares his love for Juliette (“to me you’re perfect”) because, hello, it’s his best friend’s wife. Wtf!? For Kate, the stand-in porn stars may have cutest love story of all. Go figure. (At 35:08)

Love is Everywhere. Especially as we listen to Hugh Grant's voice in the infamous opening clip. (At 49:29) 

 
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Sleeping With Other People: When Harry Met Sally for a new generation
**Complicated Woman Rating. What makes Lainey Dalton complicated? Carinn and Kate both agree Lainey is a solid 5 out of 5 rating. She hits all the marks, defying the romcom female lead at every turn. (00:35)
**Lainey’s best scenes. It was hard to narrow the list of the best down or to even decide if the same scene was the best or the cringiest, but that’s all part of what makes this complicated (read: amazing!). (6:30)
**Lainey and Jake’s first non-date date. Listen to Jake tell Lainey that “little girls are told that someday you’re going to find the one. What they don’t tell you is “the one” might be a complete f^$#ing d!$#head.”(13:43)
**Lainey and Jake get into the topic of self-pleasure but Carinn is unsure at first about the new version of Sally’s orgasm scene. (16:35)
**It’s going to happen! They are going to get together -- or are they? Kate and Carinn are split on the line: “I love you for free” but you listen to the scene and judge for yourself. (21:25)
**This story might be as much about Lainey and Matthew as it is about Lainey and Jake. She confronts Matthew and we are crushed on so many levels. (27:43)
**We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Lainey got to be the way she is. Clearly she is obsessed with unavailable men. What ARE daddy issues, anyway? (41:16)
**We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Leslye Headland, the writer and director of Sleeping With Other People. Kate pulls some mind-blowing quotes about why we can’t yet, as a culture, understand difficult women. (44:20) 
**Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Lainey and Jake ended up after the movie was over? Kate uncharacteristically goes dark on her prediction for five years out, but Carinn brings them back to the light. (54:16)
**Takeaway. Carinn reminds us that love is a choice, but it’s so worth it. Kate agrees but thinks timing is everything and sometimes you have to be patient to get the payoff. (58:50)
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Quick Cap #2 Segments

Updates from Quick Cap #1: 

Good news -- Carinn actually likes wine! (starts at :20)

Bad news -- Carinn confirmed our worst fear: that astrology is apparently not mainstream. Say it isn’t so! (at 3:20)

Casting For Daisy Jones and the Six has been announced and it’s sooo perfect. (at 7:45)

The Morning Show (and Billy Crudup) still has our attention. (at 11:05)

We discuss Reese Witherspoon playing against type with Bradley Jackson of The Morning Show. Was this a wrong choice or is her performance the vision all women need right now? (at 14:10)

Lots of complicated ladies lead the Grammy nominations...Lizzo, Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande, and more! (at 21:14)

Jennifer Nettles makes a bold statement for women at the Country Music Awards (at 22:03)

Carinn & Kate love declaring a theme song for their lives and they reminisce about a few of them including Kesha, Bleachers and the theme from Sesame Street (at 30:30)

Stay Complicated!
Links:
See Complete List of Grammy Nominees here:
https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/2020-grammy-awards-complete-nominees-list
See Jennifer Nettles dress here:
https://people.com/style/cmas-2019-jennifer-nettles-statement-dress/
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