Ep 165: State of the Artist with Beth Pickens Forever35

Kate stocks her cart for the Sephora sale and Doree takes a chance on a pop-culture rec from her mom. Then, artists' counselor and author Beth Pickens (Make Your Art No Matter What) joins them to talk about being an artist even when you’re not paid for your art, how your age shouldn’t restrict you from trying new things, and why she reminds herself that she is going to die several times a day. 
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