Listening to the Dead - Forensics uncovered Lynda La Plante and Cass Sutherland

For twenty years, Tony Sales was Britain's biggest fraudster. From cloning credit cards and identities to emptying cash machines and being a confidence trickster, Tony knew how to make money.  In this first episode of the new series of Listening to the Dead, Lynda and Cass are joined by Tony and his colleague, former Head of the Fraud Squad Andy McDonald about fraud, to discuss fraud: how investigating it has evolved, the current threats, the impact on victims and the devastating iSpoof case of 2023. 

As a fraudster, Sales could make people believe whatever he wanted them to. As analogue crime turned digital, Sales adapted his skills and became a prolific online fraudster, quickly identifying and exploiting loopholes and weaknesses in the system. And so he continued until one day a mistake on a job in Sheffield saw him arrested. While serving time, Sales decided to turn his life around. As Frank Abagnale Jr. had done in the US, Sales went from poacher to game-keeper and set up We Fight Fraud, a company dedicated to helping governments and financial institutions to prevent fraud.

And it was well timed. Fraud has become bigger than ever in the UK. Scammers were responsible for nearly 1.4m cases of fraud in the UK during the first half of 2023.


Overall, criminals stole £580m in the first six months of the year, suggesting households are likely to have lost more than £1bn to fraudsters in the year.

How do we stop fraudsters? What investigative and forensic tools do the police have? Join Lynda and Cass as they explore the most prolific crime in the world.


Lynda La Plante's final Jane Tennison thriller Whole Life Sentence is available to pre-order now in all formats. To find out more about upcoming episodes of Listening to the Dead and Lynda's other books, visit www.lyndalaplante.com

Tony Sales’ memoir The Big Con is out now in audiobook. 

Credits:
This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK
Hosts: Lynda La Plante, Cass Sutherland and Jon Watt
Director: Jon Watt
Producer: Laura Makela
Theme Music: Game Over by Magic in the Other 

The Listening to the Dead crew return to Crime Con in London for another live recording.
In this episode the team are joined by renowned forensic podiatrist Haydn Kelly to discuss his remarkable career and the first use of forensic gait analysis as expert evidence in criminal law at The Old Bailey in the trial of jewellery thief John Saunders.
From Shakespeare to the Usual Suspects, a person's gait is mentioned time and again. But how much can you really tell from a person's gait? More than you might think! 

In this final episode we’re discussing forensic searches: searches for bodies, searches for evidence, searches for criminals.


Lynda and Cass focus on the tragic case of April Jones, the 5-year-old who went missing in Wales in 2012. The police search was one of the largest ever mounted. It lasted six months, and though an arrest was made, of Mark Bridger, April’s body was never found. In this episode we reunite two forensic search experts who worked in different capacities on this harrowing and challenging case.


Julie Roberts is a hugely experienced forensic anthropologist and archaeologist with some 20 years of practitioner experience in the location, recovery and identification of human remains from scenes of crime, war zones and mass fatality incidents. She and her team examined bone fragments that were suspected to be April’s, recovered from Mark Bridger’s house. Julie is currently Scientific Advisor at Alecto Forensic Services: https://alectoforensics.com/  


Peter Faulding is a world-leading confined space rescue and forensic search specialist. Peter has worked on many high-profile missing person and ‘no body’ murder investigations including the serial killer Peter Tobin and the mysterious death of MI6 officer Gareth Williams. In 2012 he helped to coordinate the search of the woods around Mark Bridger’s house. https://www.specialistgroupinternational.com/



Lynda's new novel Vanished is out on March 31st 2022 in hardback, ebook and audiobook. 



Discover more at: www.lyndalaplante.com/listening-to-the-dead/




Credits
  This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK
  Host & Director: Jon Watt
  Producer: Laura Makela
  Sound Engineer: Chris Attaway
  Theme music: Game Over by Magic in the Other
  End music: Sweeney by Mike Relm 

In 1996 the IRA were planning a major bombing campaign. Their targets were the electrical substations around Greater London. Had they been successful it would have crippled the electricity supply of south-east England. Fortunately, the police launched Operation Airlines, a covert investigation to foil the campaign and gather evidence to prosecute those planning it.  

Forensic fibres expert Dr Ann Priston joins Lynda and Cass to discuss her memories of analysing the evidence that linked the prime suspects to the bombs they had built. 


Dr Priston is currently working with the charity Inside Justice, investigating alleged miscarriages of justice. You can learn more about their work here:
https://www.insidejustice.co.uk 

Lynda's new novel Vanished is out on March 31st 2022 in hardback, ebook and audiobook. 



Discover more at: www.lyndalaplante.com/listening-to-the-dead/






Credits
 This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK
 Host & Director: Jon Watt
 Producer: Laura Makela
 Sound Engineer: Chris Attaway
 Theme music: Game Over by Magic in the Other
 End music: Sweeney by Mike Relm 

The investigation into the murderer Colin Pitchfork is referenced in forensic courses around the world. Why? Because it was the first case where DNA screening was used. From the team responsible for this remarkable break-through, Lynda and Cass welcome Dr Tim Clayton. Tim discusses the cases of Colin Pitchfork, and later that of Colette Aram, and explains how they developed the DNA screening programme, its limitations and how it was refined into the crucial investigative tool it is today. 


Dr Timothy Clayton has close to 30 years of criminal casework experience in both the public sector, and after the closure of the FSS, in the private sector. He is an authority in the field of forensic biology and has an extensive research history as you’ll hear in this episode. In 2013, his work was recognized in the Queen’s New Year Honour’s List when he received an MBE for his contribution to forensic science and the administration of Criminal Justice. Tim is currently Senior Forensic Scientist at Eurofins Forensic Services, one of the largest private providers of forensic services in the UK: https://www.eurofins.co.uk/forensic-services/

Lynda's new novel Vanished is out on March 31st 2022 in hardback, ebook and audiobook. 



Discover more at: www.lyndalaplante.com/listening-to-the-dead/






Credits
 This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK
 Host & Director: Jon Watt
 Producer: Laura Makela
 Sound Engineer: Chris Attaway
 Theme music: Game Over by Magic in the Other
 End music: Sweeney by Mike Relm 

Lynda and Cass are joined by Pippa Gregory – Behavioural Investigative Advisor – and one of only three criminal profilers working in the UK today. She discusses the infamous cases of Yvonne Killian and Rachel Nickell - two investigations where criminal profiling was testing and found wanting. The fallout from these two cases led to the practice of criminal profiling being questioned and mistrusted by the police and public for some years.

While Pippa Gregory was not directly involved in either case, the impact of them is still felt by Behavioural Investigative Advisors today. Pippa has been involved in supporting major crime investigations for over twenty-five years. In 1999, she was asked to take on the position of Principal Analyst for Surrey Police and in 2001 joined the Serious Crime Analysis Section (SCAS) as Principal Analyst. Pippa returned to a full-time BIA role in February 2009, providing specialist behavioural advice to major crime investigations and has supported over 300 major crime investigations in this capacity. She has been an NPCC Approved Behavioural Investigative Adviser since 1998.  She is also a visiting lecturer at a number of universities in the UK.

Lynda's new novel Vanished is out on March 31st 2022 in hardback, ebook and audiobook. 



The Real Cracker was an Oxford Films production. Sadly we can currently only find one episode on YouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybjI5KQbLs

Discover more at: www.lyndalaplante.com/listening-to-the-dead/






Credits
 This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK
 Host & Director: Jon Watt
 Producer: Laura Makela
 Sound Engineer: Chris Attaway
 Theme music: Game Over by Magic in the Other
 End music: Sweeney by Mike Relm