69 episodes

Welcome to Reimagining Justice - a global podcast for the change makers in law and the first Australian-based podcast shining a light on issues at the intersection of law, social justice and innovation.
Join Andrea Perry-Petersen, an Australian lawyer and social justice advocate, as she interviews guests from around the world who have discovered and implemented innovative ways to update the legal profession while improving people’s experience of the law.
Andrea brings a unique perspective on stories which will inspire you to take positive action in the delivery of legal services for the benefit of lawyers, clients and society.
The world is changing, and the legal profession must keep up.
Legal systems around the world are not meeting people’s legal needs – there is a global access to justice crisis. What are the solutions and where can they be found?
Whether you are a legal business owner or legalpreneur
wanting to expand your market, run a purpose driven business or improve your service delivery model; a legal professional or law student curious about a career in social justice or legal tech (or both!); interested in systems design or proven ways to make positive social change, or simply looking to be inspired,
then this is the podcast for you!

Reimagining Justice Andrea Perry-Petersen - Innovator and Lawyer

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    • 4.9 • 38 Ratings

Welcome to Reimagining Justice - a global podcast for the change makers in law and the first Australian-based podcast shining a light on issues at the intersection of law, social justice and innovation.
Join Andrea Perry-Petersen, an Australian lawyer and social justice advocate, as she interviews guests from around the world who have discovered and implemented innovative ways to update the legal profession while improving people’s experience of the law.
Andrea brings a unique perspective on stories which will inspire you to take positive action in the delivery of legal services for the benefit of lawyers, clients and society.
The world is changing, and the legal profession must keep up.
Legal systems around the world are not meeting people’s legal needs – there is a global access to justice crisis. What are the solutions and where can they be found?
Whether you are a legal business owner or legalpreneur
wanting to expand your market, run a purpose driven business or improve your service delivery model; a legal professional or law student curious about a career in social justice or legal tech (or both!); interested in systems design or proven ways to make positive social change, or simply looking to be inspired,
then this is the podcast for you!

    Automation to augmentation: from lawyers acting as modems and machines as judges with Pia Andrews

    Automation to augmentation: from lawyers acting as modems and machines as judges with Pia Andrews

    In episode no. 68 my guest is serial public sector transformer, Pia Andrews. We discuss:
    how her pursuit of “truth” led her to the open-source movement and working in policy development; how technological tools relate to our quality of life; ‘open source’ – its philosophy and implementation and the idea of “clever hacks”; how ‘rules as code’ addresses issues with enforcing regulation; prescriptive and principles-based rules and when each are appropriate; the connection between the cost of implementing regulation and its effectiveness; how an API for prescriptive rules relating to anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism funding could have saved one bank $16M per year!; how ‘rules as code’ make compliance more transparent by allowing for modelling, and how this could increase accountability of the public sector; how current policy creation is insufficient and requires input from community and an example from France which incorporated co-design of policy; Taiwan’s response to the introduction of Uber! the importance of multidisciplinary teams in developing policy and how ‘rules as code’ facilities doing so in real time; how ‘rules as code’ improves trust and compliance with administrative law and shifts the onus to government; different public sector approaches to the “new normal”; how the relationship between the public sector and its government drives outcomes; whether a public sector should serve – the government, parliament or the people? 3 things necessary to create an environment for innovation and solving wicked problems; the connection between capacity and innovation, and Pia’s ideas about how to increase civic participation through a “civic gap year” and “policy difference engine”; and of course Pia’s definition of legal innovation. Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
    Links:
    Linux Home TedX multipotentialite Emilie Wapnick: Why some of us don't have one true calling | TED Talk Docassemble  Legislation as Code and better rules Building a trustworthy public sector with trust infrastructure Neota Logic's App Gallery Neota Logic Churchill Trust project Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 58 min
    Saving lives through the power of an online legal community with Kate Briscoe

    Saving lives through the power of an online legal community with Kate Briscoe

    In episode no. 67 I speak with Kate Briscoe, of LegalBeagles. The discussion covers:
    how Kate’s inability to get a job played a part in starting LegalBeagles; how LegalBeagles works today; the large numbers of threads and visitors to the site; the emerging areas of law covered by LegalBeagles; who the volunteers are, what training they undertake to assist on the platform and why Kate thinks they contribute; how LegalBeagles is filling a gap and providing assistance that isn’t being provided anywhere else including from the funded Citizens Advice Bureau; LegalBeagles’ governance structure and relationship with professional legal regulation; Kate’s views on how a lot of innovation initiatives put the “cart before the horse”; the many reasons it may not be appropriate to go to a lawyer; how machine learning is drawing on LegalBeagles’ employment law data to provide instant responses; various set-backs LegalBeagles has experienced including loss of a major partner; Kate’s thoughts on the role of the legal profession in addressing the justice crisis; sources of monetisation and sustainability of the platform; where legal consumers actually go for legal help and how they know who to trust; the link between litigation, health and justice; how the model is saving lives; and Kate’s definition of legal innovation. Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
    Links:
    LegalBeagles  JustBeagle SRA | Solicitors Regulation Authority Neota Logic's App Gallery Neota Logic Churchill Trust project Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 1 hr 11 min
    Self-representation and AI-enabled “trial playbooks” with Sonja Ebron

    Self-representation and AI-enabled “trial playbooks” with Sonja Ebron

    In episode no. 66, I speak with Sonja Ebron, founder of Courtroom5. The discussion covers:
    Sonja’s personal experience as a litigant and how that relates to her work today; The types of matters Courtroom5 is best (and not!) suited to, who and how it assists; How the patterns in the law support AI, and how that fast-tracks self-represented litigants’ understanding of their matters; The factors for litigants to do best using Courtroom5; The tools Courtroom5 employs to alleviate emotional distress; The importance of support during litigation and how Courtroom5 provides that; What a “trial playbook” is; How Courtroom5 engages with courts and legal assistance organisations; Judges’ bias against self-represented litigants??? The structure and composition of Courtroom5’s team; Why Courtroom5 constantly seeks customer feedback; Key factors that drive development of the product;
    The biggest change since Courtroom5 commenced in 2017; Who are the unexpected users of Courtroom5; What has given the company “the biggest boost”; How Courtroom5 address the challenges of keeping information up to date; What keeps the founders working on such an intractable problem; and Sonja’s definition of legal innovation. Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
    Links:
    Courtroom5 Neota Logic's App Gallery Neota Logic Churchill Trust project Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 50 min
    Open Law: how technology impacts the rule of law with Michael Green SC

    Open Law: how technology impacts the rule of law with Michael Green SC

    In episode no. 65 I speak with Michael Green SC, Barrister and founder of Barnet.
    The discussion covers:
    Open Law and how technology can make information more accessible; Who are custodians of legal information and how to best maintain it for future generations; The importance of libraries, their centrality to the law and the function of a library in an online world; The changes to the practise of law over the past few decades due to digitisation; Issues of copyright in digitising Commonwealth Law Reports in the “One to a hundred project” A failed experiment in the law: How BarNet’s purpose and activities have changed since 1997 including splitting the networking and the legal publishing functions; How legal researchers select online research platform; Why JADE considers cases at the “paragraph level” and how it actually works in terms of citations, note-ups and the technology and research that supports it; Current research into the differences in information retention from paper and electronic means; The function” of paper in reflection and contemplation, and limitations of online research; The question of ownership and resourcing of online materials; The role of predictive analytics and imagination in moving our society forward; The difficulty in reconciling different lenses through which we should regulate AI; The need to think carefully about the role of justice, courts and litigants; How Michael has maintained a busy practice at the bar and an online research company; and Michael’s definition of legal innovation. Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
    Links:
    Open Law  Jade Welcome to ICLR Neota Logic's App Gallery Neota Logic Churchill Trust project Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 1 hr 6 min
    A citizen-centric pathway for delivering justice with Aniket Doegar

    A citizen-centric pathway for delivering justice with Aniket Doegar

    In episode no. 64 I speak with Aniket Doegar, CEO and co-founder of HESPL (Haqdarshak Empowerment Solutions Private Limited), a social impact organisation working on easing access to welfare in India. We cover:
    What Haqdarshak offers to people and how its services are delivered through the most trustworthy channel; The key reasons that people in India don’t access government social services; Bridging the information gap between the government and its citizens; Why Haqdarshak works with local women and the training they receive; The challenges of training people in digital literacy; How many families and small businesses they’ve assisted, and how many female entrepreneurs they’ve trained; Collaborations they’re working on; The impact of the pandemic on their programs and technology channels and key factor meaning they could continue operating during the pandemic; The importance of both in-person and online options; Haqdarshak’s funding model and how they engage corporates to pay for justice (20min); The barriers they’ve faced in obtaining government information and the resources they use to keep it accurate and up to date; The reason they don’t advocate for change, even though they have lots of data; Why investing in their tech stack has facilitated innovation;
    The focus on the product first before scaling the program; Aniket’s background in the social justice sector; How using human centred design saved a lot of time along the entrepreneurial journey; The best form of technology to employ; How they got clear on their mission and vision; and especially what not to do; Haqdarshak’s roadmap to incrementally scale, improve process and culture in order to reach 100M people; What “Haqdarshak” means; and Aniket’s definition of legal innovation. Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
    Links:
    Haqdarshak Neota Logic's App Gallery Neota Logic International Conference of Legal Regulators Churchill Trust project Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 44 min
    Students, software and social justice with Genevieve Wilkinson and Dana Rutner

    Students, software and social justice with Genevieve Wilkinson and Dana Rutner

    In episode no. 63 I speak with Genevieve Wilkinson, Lecturer, Faculty of Law, and Dana Rutner Law and Journalism Student at the University of Technology Sydney and team leader of “Moral Code”, the winning team of 2021 Allens Neota UTS Law Tech Challenge for social justice winning team. We discuss:
    what attracted Dana to the challenge; the format of the Law Tech Challenge, and the stakeholders involved; the critical role of mentors from Allens and the importance of the Neota training; what made the difference to working well as a team; how the teams gained a thorough understanding of the issues facing their partner not-for-profit Autism Spectrum Australia, “Aspect”; how they tested their ideas and the apps; the winning “Raffle app” – what’s unique about it, how it assists Aspect and its likely impact; is potential to scale and the challenges in achieving that; ethical issues relating to technology including from a human rights perspective; other apps created during the challenge to assist not-for-profit partners including Siana - helping International Social Service Australia with international child abduction applications under the Hague convention; Apollo - a volunteer coordination app for Respect Now Always; and Empower Her - reporting and providing feedback for the mentoring program for the Women's Justice Network; the key thing Dana learnt from this experience; the points of difference in this program; the benefits of collaboration between a law school and its students, not-for-profits, software providers and a law firm! Dana and Genevieve’s one word to describe the challenge; and Dana and Genevieve’s definitions of legal innovation.
    Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic Links:
    Law Tech Challenge Grand Final 2021 Aspect International Social Service Australia Respect Now Always Women's Justice Network Neota Logic's App Gallery  Neota Logic Feedspot Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
    Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
    Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

    • 51 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
38 Ratings

38 Ratings

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Highly recommend

Andrea brings together an impressively diverse range of guests to discuss the latest innovative thought and practice around access to justice in Australia and internationally. Engaging content and Andrea has a great interviewing style. A must for anyone who is interested in innovation in the justice system.

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Highest Recommendation

Andrea’s podcast is both refreshing and insightful. It has helped me to gain insight and learn a lot about access to justice.

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Imagination to improve justice

Andrea is a creative, out-of-the-box thinker, who has managed to locate numerous legal luminaries for interviews. She is able to harness their ideas, and bring them to life, in her podcast series. I am amazed by the breadth of her network, and her focus on trying to make the law better, more accessible, and more innovative. She is a whirlwind of ideas - if you are a lawyer, a student, a judicial administrator, or lecturer, you will get something out of this podcast.

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