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The rates of depression and unhappiness amongst the legal profession worldwide are far too high. Clarissa Rayward is a divorce lawyer based in Brisbane, Australia and is best known as 'The Happy Family Lawyer'. Clarissa's own challenges with unhappiness during her legal career have inspired her to launch this Podcast which explores how we can all find a positive way of being great lawyers while having a great life. Join Clarissa on the airwaves each week as she interviews many great lawyers worldwide who share their tips on finding happiness in law and life.

The Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast Clarissa J Rayward

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The rates of depression and unhappiness amongst the legal profession worldwide are far too high. Clarissa Rayward is a divorce lawyer based in Brisbane, Australia and is best known as 'The Happy Family Lawyer'. Clarissa's own challenges with unhappiness during her legal career have inspired her to launch this Podcast which explores how we can all find a positive way of being great lawyers while having a great life. Join Clarissa on the airwaves each week as she interviews many great lawyers worldwide who share their tips on finding happiness in law and life.

    Episode 225 – Leaving people better than when you found them with Kass Hall

    Episode 225 – Leaving people better than when you found them with Kass Hall

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Kass Hall. I met Kass during 2020, not long after she moved up to Brisbane from her home town of Melbourne (right as Covid hit too!). This is a really interesting chat with a very special person, and I think there’s a lot to take from Kass’ story.

    Kass is a lawyer, an artist, a teacher, a humanitarian, and an AFL enthusiast. She’s had a diverse background in both her career and her life experience, and has come into the law as a graduate a little later in life after a prior career in teaching. She is passionate about kindness and helping others, being candid in our struggles, and emphasizes the importance of owning your experiences and struggles in order to learn and grow.

    Kass takes us through the difficulties in beginning a legal career after having previous vocations, the realities of health struggles and how they can put life on hold, and the ultimate importance of knowing how and when to say, ‘I am not okay’ – which applies to mental health as much as it does to physical health. She has also struggled with her mental and physical health extensively over her lifetime, and has developed a unique resilience and perspective from these challenges.

    Ultimately, Kass’ life experience – both in law and outside of it – is a really powerful story for anyone looking to find their place and make their mark on the world. The bottom line of Kass’ story, and the key piece in her finding happiness?

    While we can’t control what happens through our lives, what we can control is our responses to these challenges.

    In this interview, Kass Hall and I also chatted about –



    * If Kass was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher, which she was in her earlier days.

    * She is an avid AFL Football fan and grew up in inner-city Melbourne.

    * Yelling at a football game always gives Kass an emotional boost and is a great outlet.

    * Kass’ parents are both in the police force and she shares some childhood experiences.

    * At the young age of 12, Kass was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer, which has had a lasting impact on her.

    * The risky and long-lasting procedures Kass endured as a child, and having life-changing decisions made on your behalf.

    * Kass’ mental health and the impact her illness has had on her life.

    * ‘You cannot be physically healthy unless you are mentally healthy.’

    * Control in our lives is lacking – all you can control is your reaction.

    * Learning to say ‘I’m not okay today’, and Kass’ tips for walking alongside someone dealing with mental health struggles.

    * ‘Don’t be afraid to screw up – life goes on.’

    * Losing a partner at age 21 and how she coped with this event.

    * Getting to the end of her visual arts degree before going into teaching.

    * Her four cancer re-occurrences and the miracle surgery.

    * Kass wrote a book before her 4th cancer re-occurrence, and how this journey led her to become a legal studies teacher.

    * Kass’ passion is to represent young people in a more impactful way.

    * The move to Brisbane just before the pandemic hit and her difficulty in finding work.

    * Kass’ passion for young people, justice and fariness.

    * Kass encourages everyone she meets to seek legal advice of some sort before self-represening.

    * Leaving people better than when you found them; ‘It’s not about me – I want to be the one to push others forward.’

    * Kass’s Happiness Tip.



    Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kass Hall.

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    • 1 hr 14 min
    Episode 224 – Passion, Purpose and Pepsi Max – Finding a New Way with Carolyn Devries

    Episode 224 – Passion, Purpose and Pepsi Max – Finding a New Way with Carolyn Devries

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Carolyn Devries.

    Carolyn has been someone who has been working in a similar space to me for a long time, and finally getting to sit down and talk with her has been such a pleasure. She is running the first ever privately owned not-for-profit law firm in the family space in Australia, ‘New Way Lawyers’, and she has found a very different way of structuring a law practice!

    When we think of innovation in law, the focus is often on legal technology or the financial benefits, and Carolyn’s perspective has been a really refreshing way to reflect on legal innovation with an emphasis on the humans involved. It was quite some time ago that we did this interview, as is the chaos of 2021 for me, but it really was such a poignant discussion. Carolyn is an incredible person who has lived an exceptional life, driven by her values and purpose in every space of her life and career. From a farming property in a small country town in NSW, she has travelled the world and taken time to carve her own path – a path that has led her to ‘New Way Lawyers’.

    Carolyn has created a very unique and holistic practice that makes legal help more accessible. ‘New Way Lawyers’ exists to help guide separating families – regardless of financial situation – through the hardest time of their lives. Not only does Carolyn’s team help legally, but they also give emotional and practical support to their clients too. She has created a unique business that embraces both a legal and not-for-profit framework to create a practice that is both incredibly innovative and deeply empathetic. There is a strong sense of peace and freedom for Carolyn in knowing that she is where she is meant to be – in her family, career, faith, and home in Brisbane.

    Carolyn offers us a lot of learnings in regards to finding happiness in the law, and her passion, values, purpose and sense of humour are key pieces in that.

    In this interview, Carolyn and I also chatted about-



    * If Carolyn was not a lawyer, she would love to review musicals and books! However, ultimately, law is her calling.

    * Carolyn’s upbringing and travels – from rural NSW to Northern Canada, Namibia, Kakadu and Nullabor with her husband (and later children!)

    * Her pathway to law; decided to study law as she describes herself as being a ‘typical candidate’, however, she hated studying it until she began to work with clients and realised that it could be a pathway to help people.

    * Sharing her difficulties in the confronting nature of criminal law, and how this resulted in her closing the door on law for a while.

    * After moving to Kakadu, Carolyn became involved in the not-for-profit sector working with First Nation Australians. Through this work, she found a deep passion that led her to her Masters in the management of not-for-profit organisations.

    * While in Canada and continuing her Masters, Carolyn’s realisation that while she had ‘closed the door’ on law, it was not locked.

    * The puzzle pieces of Carolyn’s experiences, chance meetings and how this brought her to a place of contentment.

    * The beginnings of New Way Law Firm – Australia’s first not for profit law firm.

    * The moment of fear, and how Carolyn overcame these fears with passion and purpose.

    * The team at New Way and the ‘more than people’ attitude of the firm.

    * Carolyn explains ‘Social Franchising’ and how her firm works.

    * How New Way delivers client care activities outside of the traditional legal sphere, including the weekly ‘Client Care Blog’ and her in-court client support.

    * The benefits of moving the measure of success from the cash to the customer.

    * The importance in seeing family law as an experience, as opposed to as a service.

    * Innovation in law, usually connected to technology,

    • 56 min
    Episode 223 – Embrace the silly with Danae Younger

    Episode 223 – Embrace the silly with Danae Younger

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Danae Younger.  These days Danae is a Barrister here in Brisbane with a beautifully diverse practice. Her career in law has been a fascinating one- from private practice to stints at the Public Guardian and the Crime and Corruption Commission.  Danae also has a beautiful perspective on life and law and shared lots of great advice, particularly for anyone considering a move to the private Bar.

    And while I thoroughly enjoyed our discussion about life in the law, I was so thrilled for the excuse to discuss my other passion in life-Dance!  It turns out that Danae and I have a shared love of all things performing arts and while we are both more connoisseurs than participants these days, Danae threw on her dancing shoes this year and joined the Brisbane Festival in the ‘Common People Dance Eisteddfod’ something that sounds right up my ally!  But for all our chat about dance, Danae’s message is an important one- that when we create space for fun or even a bit of silly in our lives it has a wonderful impact on our wellbeing.

    In this interview, Danae and I also chatted about-



    * If Danae was not a lawyer she would have been an editor as her passion for writing has always been a part of her life.

    * The performing arts and the joy that this creative outlet brings to so many in the law.

    * The thrill and anxiety of performing and the advantage of this skill set in law.

    * Danae was born and bred in Brisbane and shares her traditional path into the law.

    * The reason Danae chose the law, as well as her time in journalism and the performing arts.

    * Not everything you do needs to lead to something – there is value in passions outside of the law.

    * Her time as an Article Clerk and the practice areas she enjoyed.

    * Working as a paralegal for an insurance firm and how she makes connections in this field.

    * Business services, wills and estates vs criminal law.

    * The value of a mentor and how they are able to drive your passion.

    * The importance of speaking up, which led Danae to her preferred path of Criminal Law.

    * Working for the Government was a way to receive a more flexible work arrangement.

    * Danne’s time challenging investigative powers and testing to ensure due diligence.

    * Danae’s decision to join the Private Bar and her experience of the Bar Course.

    * Her time as a public guardian and what is involved in this work.

    * Life as a woman in the bar – the pros and cons.

    * Danae pushes herself to build her skills and communication.

    * Women connections and the briefing policy at the Bar.

    * As a barrister, Danae enjoys the flexibility and balance in life this work brings.

    * The Common People Dance Eisteddfod and the connections she has made with others who ’embrace the silly.’

    * Finding joy in activities outside the law and the role of laughter on your happiness.

    * Danae’s Happiness Tip.



    Sit back and enjoy this interview with Danae Younger.

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    • 58 min
    Episode 222 – Building your portfolio career with Athlete Advocate Alex Sinatra

    Episode 222 – Building your portfolio career with Athlete Advocate Alex Sinatra

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Alex Sinatra.  I think Alex best described her role(s) now when she said she has a ‘portfolio career’.  My take on this descriptor is that Alex has brought together her unique knowledge and experience to build a career in law that has many aspects but is a perfect fit for her.

    At the time I recorded this interview with Alex we were both in the midst of following our world leading athletes at the Tokyo Olympics and it made for a fascinating conversation as Alex has both a personal background as a competitive gymnast but also now works in the sports law space.  That coupled with her biological connection to Frank Sinatra had me so intrigued during this chat.

    Each day in Alex’s work life is different and this is how she likes it.  She is a true example of building a career that brings together your passions, interests and talents which has at the heart of it happiness- all the things you know I love!

    In this interview, Alex and I also chatted about-



    * If Alex was not a lawyer she would have been an actress or a model.

    * Alex grew up in the United States and currently resides in Texas. She came from a multi-cultural background and yes – is related to the famous Sinatra family!

    * Many Alex’s family members are in the medical field and she discusses her expectations of COVID in the next few years.

    * Originally, Alex set out to become a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and completed 2 years of pre-med.

    * After deciding medicine was not for her, she made the switch to law and business.

    * Alex always had goals to combine sport into a career and shares why this was so important for her.

    * Alex shares how student-athletes were unable to profit from their name, image and likeness, and her involvement in changing these regulations.

    * The world of social media and the profits that can now feely be made by athletes.

    * The NCAA and Alex’s passion for becoming an Advocate for Athletes.

    * The world of Gymnastics and the pressure athletes are under both domestically and abroad.

    * Alex shares her perspective on the parallels between sport and our work as lawyers.

    * Mental Health and recognising we, as lawyers and individuals are important as well.

    * The TLAP program and the ability to check-in anonymously on a colleague if concerned for their mental health.

    * The eye-opening moment of working in Family Law, her experience working in this area and her motivation to change direction.

    * Alex’s first experience in sports law and her growth in leadership and management.

    * Working on USA today writing for the NFL and how she intentionally curated her career over many years.

    * Pivoting during the pandemic and the beginnings of ‘Your Potential For Everything’.

    * Alex has taken her practice of law and coupled it with her passion for sports and says, ‘the puzzle has now fallen into place.’

    * The value of networking and how to prove you are a good investment.

    * Alex encourages us to follow our path and stay in our own lane.

    * As lawyers, we are taught perfection or failure and dealing with those expectations.

    * She says ‘Have that faith in yourself. Recognise that it will not be easy, but if you’re doing what you want to do it will be enjoyable.’

    * Contentment balanced with striving for more without comparison.

    * Alex’s Happiness Tip. 



    Sit back and enjoy this interview with Alex Sinatra

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    Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre-  A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outsi...

    • 1 hr 1 min
    Episode 221 – Law is What We Do, Not Who We Are with Nick Dore

    Episode 221 – Law is What We Do, Not Who We Are with Nick Dore

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Nick Dore. Nick is someone who I have learnt a lot from, particularly in the past 12 months. I wanted to bring in Nick this week, as it is mental health week here in Australia and Nick  has a whole lot of helpful things to say about this topic.  From his own lived experience to a very successful and equally demanding career in the law, Nick’s perspective on the importance of sharing our narratives, seeking help and looking after each other makes him the perfect guest for this important week.

    Nick is a criminal lawyer who helped to create Fisher Dore, a renowned Law Firm, here in sunny Brisbane. Brisbane is where Nick has been based for the majority of his life (despite his best efforts to escape to the Caribbean!). Outside of being a successful criminal lawyer, Nick is a very down-to-earth person with a strong sense of humour and a great deal of love for his wife and kids. Something that both Nick and I hold very close to our hearts is mental health awareness, and one of the main pieces we discuss here is the personal and professional changes – both positive and negative – that have occurred in the past year since Covid emerged in this space.

    At the end of the day, while someone who has spent most of his life dedicated to building up his firm, Nick has put a lot of emphasis on being a human first, and a lawyer second. While ‘being human’ is a flexible term here (for Nick it means taking the kids to swimming, going to Sizzler and playing Call of Duty), the bottom line of being yourself and knowing when to ask for help is something that is vitally important. Nick’s sense of humour and candidness in tackling these tough discussions is something that I think we could all learn from going forward.

    In this interview, Nick and I also chatted about-



    * If Nick was not a lawyer, he would have continued to run a video store, which was his full-time job in university.

    * Nick’s experience at both Griffith and UQ studying law and film, and shares his experience of University in the late 90s.

    * Nick’s wife Marie – how they met, and how their careers have aligned.

    * His early experience of working in Woodridge in Criminal and Personal Injury law.

    * Working as an Articled Clerk and the different types of matters he dealt with.

    * The emotional resilience which is required to maintain a passion for Criminal Law.

    * Nick shares the beginnings of Fisher Dore in April 2006 and the start-up experience.

    * The award-winning culture of Fisher and Dore and gender balance in the law.

    * How Nick manages the mental impact of the pandemic on his staff.

    * The creative flow has resulted from the pandemic within legal aid.

    * The loss of Judge Guy Andrew in 2020 and, this impact on Nick as a close personal friend.

    * Nick’s personal experience in seeing a psychologist, and how this introspection has helped him learn and grow as a person.

    * The stigma and fear attached to discussions of mental illness, death and suicide in our community, and the importance of being candid about struggles and grief in order to help ourselves and others into the future.

    * Nick’s tips for balancing your workload and your personal health in law to create sustainability and longevity for your legal career.

    * Time lost, and the lifestyle shift Nick has experienced over the past year.

    * Managing client and staff expectations, and Nicks practical tips for time management.

    * The future (and some past stories) of Fisher Dore.

    * The value of networking and showing interest in people as human beings.

    * Nick’s Happiness Tip.



    Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nick Dore and this week I am including some important phone numbers for the wonderful services that are available for you or...

    • 1 hr 15 min
    Episode 220 – Simple Courage with Heather Hubbard

    Episode 220 – Simple Courage with Heather Hubbard

    In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing one great lawyer and now the founder of ‘Simple Courage,’ Heather Hubbard. Heather and I have been connected with one another online for years, as we are working on very similar things despite being across the world from one another. She is someone who inspires me a lot, especially with her work in the space of finding courage and joy.

    Heather has spent her life on a mission to speak out and change the world for the better. From her childhood in a small, conservative town in Kentucky, she has been determined to achieve her dreams and prove wrong anyone who told her otherwise. Heather has practiced in law firms of all sizes, and found a specialty in holistic strategy and advice. She is the founder of ‘All Rise’ and more recently, ‘Simple Courage’, both of which are businesses with a focus on helping people achieve their goals.

    What makes Heather so special is her ability to see the bottom line of what stops us from reaching these goals; fear. ‘Simple Courage’ was founded to hone in on this aspect, and help people to discover themselves and give us the courage to reach (and surpass) our ambitions. A piece that I particularly love that Heather focuses on is her belief in finding moments of play, joy and mindfulness in our lives.

    This podcast may seem a little left of field, as Heather is, in her words, an ‘inactive’ attorney – but I think her focus on fear, courage and play is incredibly poignant and relevant to lawyers at all stages of their lives and careers. There is a lot of power in Simple Courage.

    In this interview, Heather and I also chatted about-



    * The importance of certainty for our wellbeing and we discuss the impact of the pandemic this past year.

    * If Heather was not a lawyer, she would have been doing what she is now – an online business where she is a speaker.

    * Women in the law who have taken their skills to the next level.

    * The beauty of social media and the sense of belonging that is achievable in this space.

    * Heather grew up as a small-town girl in Kentucky where she knew, early on, that she wanted to challenge societal norms.

    * Her time at Vanderbilt Law School and her path into law.

    * Heather’s goal was to work in Entertainment and Intellectual Property Law and she shares her ‘hustle; approach.

    * ‘Fancy law-firm America’ and the overwork culture.

    * Heather’s reasoning for leaving the law to follow her dreams to become a leader and speaker.

    * The initial version of ‘Simple Courage’ and her learnings from this time.

    * Giving yourself permission to have fun.

    * Problem-solving and the experimental part of pivoting in business.

    * The beginner mindset or the curious mindset and the value of questioning your life.

    * The beginnings of Simple Courage and the evolution to a holistic approach.

    * When an idea pulls at your heart you need to listen.

    * The worry around failure and Heather’s tips for overcoming this fear.

    * Courage is an act so, get uncomfortable because courage is contagious.

    * Our assumptions of roles and expectations – these are the root of our beliefs.

    * Authenticity and the law can go hand in hand if we have the confidence to do so.

    * Heather’s perspective on the legal identity and how we can step out in a different way.

    * Outside of work, Heather is creative and shares the value of creativity in the law.

    * Heather gives us the discount code HappyLawyer for her Discovery Program.



    Sit back and enjoy this interview with Heather Hubbard.

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    • 1 hr 5 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
97 Ratings

97 Ratings

Rebecca Secomb ,

My fave podcast!

As a mum of 4 and starting law school, listening to Clarissa interview a variety of legal professionals is inspiring, insightful, interesting and fun! Looking forward to the 2021 episodes.

Natasha Horvat ,

Thank you!

Such a relevant and topical podcast - thank you for speaking about challenges I thought I was alone in experiencing!

Anon111216 ,

An excellent podcast!

This podcast is a fantastic initiative which is not just relevant to lawyers. As a medical practitioner who has an interest in health law I think Clarissa’s podcast is a great resource for any busy professional. Clarissa addresses some very important issues, such as how a demanding career can negatively impact our mental health. Her interviews with each guest are not only interesting to listen to but also also offer some practical advice on how to achieve a work-life balance.

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