151 episodes

The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

    Episode 151: This Podcast Deserves (at Least) One Vote for the Hall of Fame

    Episode 151: This Podcast Deserves (at Least) One Vote for the Hall of Fame

    Oh heavens, what were they thinking?  This week on the National Security Law Podcast, your hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney bring you…well, not a single second of national security law talk.  Nope, instead this episode is all-frivolity from start to finish.   Movies, tv, sports, books…anything but the actual topic of the show!  But, hey, maybe you could use a break from the headlines?  Rest assured, we’ll be back next week with our usual format.

    • 45 min
    Episode 150: This Podcast Can’t Spell Sesquicenteninial!

    Episode 150: This Podcast Can’t Spell Sesquicenteninial!

    It’s episode 150, and to celebrate we have a special guest: The Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), Christopher Krebs!  That’s right, we’ve got all the cybers this week, and a fun guest to walk us all through it.   That, plus a smattering of sign-stealing frivolity and Rush appreciation!  We’ll be back next week with our usual takes on the news…

    • 58 min
    Episode 149: This Podcast Will Not Serve as a Notification to Anyone About Anything

    Episode 149: This Podcast Will Not Serve as a Notification to Anyone About Anything

    Not surprisingly, this weeks episode focuses entirely on the set of legal and policy questions raised by the airstrike that killed, among other, the Iranian general Qassim Soleimani in Iraq.  But of course there is still frivolity, too, as the show finishes with discussion of … Frozen II.

    • 1 hr 17 min
    Episode 148: This Podcast Is “Thug #7”

    Episode 148: This Podcast Is “Thug #7”

    Tired of watching the impeachment?  Turn away from your monitor/tv, put in your earbuds, and go for a nice walk while listening to the latest National Security Law Podcast!  This week we have Professors Chesney and Vladeck discussing and debating:



    * The DOJ OIG Report and its account of 17 significant errors associated with the FBI’s presentation of information in the series of FISA Title I applications concerning Carter Page.  This, of course, leads to a larger discussion of FISA reform.

    * SCOTUS designates March as Subpoena-palooza month!  That’s right, oral argument in all three Trump-related subpoena cases will occur in consolidated fashion then, with an opinion then expected by the end of June.

    * The National Defense Authorization Act for FY’20 is on its way to the President’s desk, and will soon be law.



    But what you really want to know, of course, is … how was the Dear Evan Hansen performance the other night?  Your cohosts were there, and have a report!

    • 59 min
    Episode 147: Sometimes You Get a Donald J. Trump

    Episode 147: Sometimes You Get a Donald J. Trump

    Welcome back to the National Security Law Podcast!  This week we discuss:



    * The two Articles of Impeachment

    * The Inspector General’s Report on the origins and conduct of the FBI’s investigation into Russian election interference

    * Amazon’s lawsuit arguing that President Trump improperly influenced the DOD cloud contract bid selection

    * The NDAA and the legal framework for DoD to conduct (and counter) grey zone information operations

    * The investigative report on persistent overstatement of success in Afghanistan

    * The attempt to Dzokhar Tsarnaev to make a claim for juror/prosecutor bias in the Bostom Marathon bombing case

    * The decision to suspend the process of designating 1 or more Mexican drug cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations



    That, plus some frivolous commentary on football.  Alas, no review (yet) of Mandalorian episode 5….

    • 56 min
    Episode 146: What’s In Your Wallet? A Subpoena!

    Episode 146: What’s In Your Wallet? A Subpoena!

    Welcome back to the National Security Law Podcast!  Tune in as Professors Vladeck and Chesney debate and discuss the week’s national security law news, including:



    * Trumplandia: The House Intelligence Committee’s report shines a spotlight on certain call records, leading some to question how such records lawfully are obtained by investigators.  This leads to a discussion of the Fourth Amendment, the third-party doctrine, the Stored Communications Act, and both grand jury and congressional subpoenas.

    * More Trumplandia: The Second Circuit has ruled against an effort to prevent Deutsche Bank and Capital One from complying with a Congressional subpoena for Trump-related records, adding to the slew of cases on this topic.

    * Adham Hassoun and indefinite immigration-law detention for dangerous persons: Back in episode 116 we noted that Hassoun had completed his 15-year sentence (following a conviction for involvement in a murder conspiracy under 18 USC 956(a)), but is being held pending removal…with little prospect for effecting that removal, given his stateless-status.  He is now subject to the not-previously-used USA PATRIOT Act Section 412 authority, which involves an initial 7-day window for detention and then calls for semi-annual judicial review.  The case presents both procedural due process and substantive due process issues.

    * Designating Mexican drug cartels as “foreign terrorist organizations”–President Trump says this is in the works at last, so we review the legal and policy aspects.

    * National Security Division Roundup: We offer brief notes on a few major recent developments in terrorism-related cases.



    But it’s all about the frivolity, so stay till the end for our idle opinions on what ought to happen with the College Football Playoffs final four, and especially for our take on episode 4 of the Mandalorian.

    • 50 min

Customer Reviews

Nan from Tas ,

Tasmania is listening

Hi Steve and Bobbie
I enjoy your podcasts even though I’m legally naive. I was delighted to hear Steve list my adopted state on the latest podcast, not confusing it with Tanzania or assuming it’s a separate country.

While many of the legal nuances go over my head, your insights always contain some nugget of information new to me, and your pragmatic approach to the rule of law gives me hope that my country of birth will survive this administration. I’ll be careful, though, not to misplace either my US or Australian passport, just in case.

Oh, when I was in Seattle in June I saw the Mariners beat some team in 12 innings. Can’t remember which team it was, but it rekindled my preference for baseball over cricket.

Nan Bray

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