This week Lily is in conversation with Tyson Yunkaporta ~ the author of Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, senior lecturer in Indigenous Knowledge at Deakin University, a published poet and an artist of traditional wood carving. In this episode, Tyson and Lily will discuss questions and concepts from Sand Talk in relation to what's happening in the world around us. This episode is really a challenge to how we think and implores us to change our thinking about the world. To see our mind beyond the confides of our brain and connect with all around us. This way of thinking and being in the world is not just an Indigenous way but is, as Tyson uncovers, the human way.