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Every month, we invite a guest on the Bao Podcast who's active in the construction industry. With our guests, we discuss the latest evolutions and the future of this interesting industry. Want to learn more about Bao Living? Visit https://en.baoliving.com/

16 MEI

#40 Noor Huitema (Copper8)

For Episode 40 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Noor Huitema-Hellemans, co-founder of Copper8, a consultancy helping organizations rethink value, governance, and collaboration.Based in Amsterdam, Copper8 challenges businesses to move beyond short-term profit and focus on long-term impact. Their work bridges research and practice, supporting clients in sectors like construction, finance, and manufacturing to drive systemic change.In this episode, we explore what it takes to lead a purpose-driven company, how to align financial and environmental value, and why true transformation starts with asking the right questions. Copper8 (https://www.copper8.com/) LinkedIn Noor Huitema-Hellemans (https://www.linkedin.com/in/noorhuitemahelleman/) Ellen MacArthur Foundation (https://ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/) Planetary Boundaries Documentary on Netflix (https://www.netflix.com/) CSRD - Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (https://finance.ec.europa.eu/capital-markets-union-and-financial-markets/company-reporting-and-auditing/company-reporting/corporate-sustainability-reporting_en) Mahatma Gandhi (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 1:55 Noor’s motivation for systemic change 4:30 From traditional consultancy to founding Copper8 8:50 Choosing impact over growth: the 15-person team limit 13:00 Bridging research and practice to accelerate change 26:20 Circularity beyond materials: financial and environmental value 34:10 The role of legislation and market awareness 38:15 Who should reach out to Copper8? 43:50 Outro

45 min
17 APR

#39 Thomas Rau (RAU Architects, Turntoo & Madaster)

Episode 39 of the Bao Podcast is a special episode - first, because it’s the first podcast recorded at an external location. And second, because of our guest: a man who needs no introduction... but I’ll give him one anyway - Thomas Rau! As founder of RAU Architects, Turntoo and Madaster, Thomas is a visionary thinker who challenges the way we design, build, and use materials. His concept of material passports and circular construction is reshaping the industry, proving that buildings should be seen not just as structures but as resource banks for the future. His innovative approach has not gone unnoticed - he has received numerous awards, including the ARC13 Oeuvre Award, the Circular Economy Leadership Award, and the World Green Building Council Chairman’s Award. Get ready for an inspiring conversation about innovation, responsibility, and the architecture of tomorrow! RAU Architects (https://anewdawn.rau.eu/) Turntoo (https://turntoo.com/) Madaster (https://madaster.com/) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 01:30 How Thomas started his career 07:30 Stories about accidents and diseases and how it changed his vision and motivation 17:30 Sustainability vs circularity 21:30 Changing mindset is the only way to make an impact 28:45 Conflict cost - change 39:00 Advising to the king of Bhutan 48:30 Material passports 57:30 Outro

1u 2m
19 MRT

#38 Kostas Anastasiades & Ben Moins (University of Antwerp & B.CYCLE)

For episode 38 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome 2 people: Kostas Anastasiades & Ben Moins. Both are senior researchers at the faculty of Applied Engineering at the University of Antwerp. They are also linked to the service platform B.Cycle where Kostas serves as an expert on circularity and Ben is the program manager focussing on sustainability. Both of them are writing and doing a lot of research on circularity, recycling and waste management, sustainability assessment and much more. At Bao Living, all these issues are close to our hearts, and we also try to do our part to find solutions to these problems. So we’re very curious to hear more from their insights! Ben’s research + contact (https://www.uantwerpen.be/nl/personeel/ben-moins_19251/) Kostas’ research + contact(https://www.uantwerpen.be/nl/personeel/kostas-anastasiades/) Circular value institute (https://www.circularvalueinstitute.com/team) B.CYCLE (https://bcycle.be/) Constantine The Great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great) Leonardo da Vinci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 1:30 Ben’s research 9:30 Kostas’ research 18:30: Implementation of research 30:15: About B.CYCLE 34:45 Are there historical practices in construction that we can learn from today? 39:30 Price vs sustainability 47:45 Where do we see the construction industry in a couple of years? 51:25 What are the barriers of today’s society to increase circularity in construction? 54:20 Outro

1u 2m
16 FEB

#37 Lieven Smeyers (pt.2) (Lito)

Lieven is the CEO of Lito and has already participated in the Bao Podcast almost 2 years ago, and is now back for part 2. He and his team managed to develop the ‘Litobox’: which contains every component you need for heating and cooling your house and for making domestic hot water. It combines a ventilation system that guarantees air quality, a rainwater purification system, the indoor components for a photovoltaic installation and an electrical switchboard with internet equipment. Optionally, a battery pack can be added as well. Thanks to off-site assembly and testing, your building process is enormously speeded up, as it can be installed, connected, and commissioned in a few hours. Show notes: Lito (https://lito.be/en/) Lito & Bao Living collaboration for ION (https://www.baoliving.com/projecten/moderne-nieuwbouw-appartementen-in-brussel) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 1:30 Three biggest milestones since previous episode 21:15 Biggest challenges since previous episode 32:25 Surprising/Inspiring customer feedback 42:20 Lessons learned in entrepreneurship 52:00 Outro

59 min
27 JAN

#36 Pieter-Jan Loyens (Encon)

For Episode 36 of the Bao Podcast, we introduce you to Pieter-Jan Loyens, the Managing Director of Encon. This is an agency, based in Bilzen, that supports businesses with creative and innovative solutions in their transition toward becoming more sustainable. They distinguish themselves through their unique combination of ecology and economy, linking environmental awareness with cost savings and profitability for their clients.In recent years, they have built a strong market position with this approach. One of their most remarkable projects might be their own headquarters in Bilzen, Infinity. It is considered one of the most sustainable office buildings in Europe. With several sustainability certificates as LEED and BREEAM, the design serves as a showcase for innovative technologies and sustainable architecture. Show notes: Encon (https://www.encon.eu/nl-BE) Pieter-Jan Loyens (https://be.linkedin.com/in/pieter-jan-loyens/en) Robin Bruninx (https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinbruninx) Hasco Invest (https://hascoinvest.be/nl/home) Jean Jacques Velkeniers (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jean-jacques-velkeniers-1053b11/) BREEAM (https://breeam.com/) LEED (https://www.usgbc.org/leed/) Tectum Group (https://www.tectumgroup.be/) HNST Jeans (https://www.supergoods.be/blogs/supergoods-news/welkom-bij-supergoods-de-belgische-duurzame-jeans-van-hnst) Vario Food (https://variofood.be/) Upgrade Estate (https://upgrade-estate.be/) Wanaka Partners (https://wanakapartners.com/) Ellen MacArthur (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_MacArthur) Ignace van Doorselaere, ‘De essentie’ (https://4-f.be/publicaties/de-essentie) Daniel Kahneman, ‘Thinking Fast & Slow’ (https://www.bol.com/be/nl/f/thinking-fast-and-slow/9300000043254613/) Michael Lewis, ‘The Undoing Project’ (https://www.bol.com/be/nl/f/the-undoing-project/9200000065157549/) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 2:00 Founding story of Encon 10:30 Examples of how Encon are helping companies 19:30 Pieter-Jan’s key learnings throughout his career 26:15 Work of Encon in construction industry 29:30 Sustainability certificates: how do you achieve them? 34:30 Promising methodologies in construction 38:30 Good business cases for big battery installations 43:45 Cost of batteries dropping 45:00 Circular frontrunners in Belgium 48:10 Reach out to Pieter-Jan or Encon via the information in the show notes! 49:00 Outro

1u 2m
12-11-2024

#35 Anneleen Desmyter (Yally)

For episode 35 of the Bao Podcast, we invited Anneleen Desmyter, the CEO of Yally. This is an innovative company based in Antwerp that’s redefining property management with a future-focused approach. Yally’s mission centers around buying homes and transforming them into energy-efficient, tenant-friendly spaces. As a forward-thinking landlord, Yally prioritizes both comfort and affordability for tenants, using smart technology to cut down on energy costs and provide an all-inclusive service through their online platform, MijnYally.be. Yally (https://yally.be/) Quares (https://quares.be/nl/) The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/368593.The_4_Hour_Workweek) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 01:00 About Anneleen and Jally 05:50 Opportunities they saw when founding Yally 10:40 Meaning behind the name 13:15 Yally's activities and insights in the market 55:00 Outro

1u 1m
22-09-2024

#34 Arne Allewaert (pt.2) (AMAVI Capital)

For episode 34 of the Bao Podcast, we invited once again a familiar face. He was one of our first guests, and is back today: Arne Allewaert. Arne is a co-founder and Managing Partner at AMAVI Capital. AMAVI is a fully independent investment fund with a pan-European scope, established to support the growth of the leading and most promising scale-ups active in the PropTech industry. AMAVI bridges the traditional real estate industry on the one hand and European PropTech scale-ups on the other. AMAVI Capital (https://amavi.capital/) YouStock (https://www.youstock.com/) Casafari (https://www.casafari.com/) Team.blue (https://team.blue/) Enpal (https://www.enpal.de/) Cintoo (https://cintoo.com/) Shayp (https://www.shayp.com/) Hydraloop (https://www.hydraloop.com/) ‘The Last Dance’ on Netflix (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Dance) ‘The Man Who Solved the Market’ - Gregory Zuckerman (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43889703-the-man-who-solved-the-market) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 1:30 Biggest changes and lessons since previous episode 19:55 Looking for opportunities in certain verticals 31:00 Companies on the forefront of sustainability 39:00 Some of the companies in the AMAVI portfolio 42:00 Water investments 45:30 Outro

56 min
12-08-2024

#33 Chris Van de Voorde (pt.2) (JuuNoo)

After a nice summer break we’re back with a new episode with a familiar face: Chris Van de Voorde! Chris is the founder of JuuNoo, a company based in the Kortrijk area, but which is already active on the other side of the ocean. Chris runs Belgium's fastest-growing sustainable company. With JuuNoo, he develops demountable walls, a beautiful story of Belgian circularity that is now also being sold in America. The company has grown tremendously since Chris’ last visit to the Bao Podcast. Therefore, we’re very excited to hear more about it. Show notes: Hannah Ritchie - Not the End of the World: How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/145624737-not-the-end-of-the-world) The Circular Value Institute (https://www.circularvalueinstitute.com/) Everyday Astronaut: First look inside SpaceX’s Starfactory w/ Elon Musk (https://youtu.be/aFqjoCbZ4ik?si=su73p5mIrCtfghIj) Walter Isaacson - Elon Musk (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/122765395-elon-musk) Lex Fridman Podcast - Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity (https://open.spotify.com/episode/1seRMg5Zdg5nBuw0W4Q3WB?si=93588340b4b94ea8) Ash Maurya - Running Lean (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13078769-running-lean) Ben Horowitz - What You Do Is Who You Are: How to Create Your Business Culture (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44063692-what-you-do-is-who-you-are) Time stamps: 0:00 Intro 1:20 About JuuNoo + changes since previous episode 8:35 Learnings from expanding to the USA 18:50 Looking ahead: future ambitions 25:20 About combining growth and circularity 39:15 Which market would you like to enter next? 41:00 Exciting new technologies 43:30 Outro

50 min

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Every month, we invite a guest on the Bao Podcast who's active in the construction industry. With our guests, we discuss the latest evolutions and the future of this interesting industry. Want to learn more about Bao Living? Visit https://en.baoliving.com/

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