Julia talks with Russell E.L. Butler, an electronic music maker, mastering engineer, and DJ. Russell begins by taking time to delineate between their relationship to familial loss, and contemporary loss and how that has strengthened their bond to their own life. They also discuss the immigrant experience of survival and how that has impacted their relationship to legacy and what it feels like to realize you definitely want to be remembered. Significant time is spent towards the latter end of the episode discussing Russell's relationship to the Ghost Ship fire of 2016 and the people they lost. Below are the names of the 36 people who died in the Ghost Ship fire. Cash Askew, Em B, Jonathan Bernbaum, Barrett Clark, David Cline, Micah Danemayer, Billy Dixon, Chelsea Dolan, Alex Ghassan, Nick Gomez-Hall, Michela Gregory, Sara Hoda, Travis Hough, Johnny Igaz, Ara Jo, Donna Kellog, Amanda Kershaw, Edmond Lapine, Griffin Madden, Joseph Matlock, Jason McCarty, Draven McGill, Jennifer Mendiola, Jennifer Morris, Feral Pines, Vanessa Plotkin, Wolfgang Renner, Hanna Ruax, Benjamin Runnels, Nicole Siegrist, Michele Sylvan, Jennifer Kiyomi Tanouye, Alex Vega, Peter Wadsworth, Nick Walrath, Brandon "Chase" Wittenauer.