A Deeper Dive Into the Alt-Right Femboy Catgirls with with Brian Chau

Description: Brian Chau joins Simone and Malcolm to discuss the latest data on Gen Z sexuality and relationships. They analyze declining physicality, porn addiction, anime girl attraction, generalized neuroticism, and more "cursed" stats from Brian's interviews with young alt-righters.

Brian Chau: [00:00:00] this episode specifically, was in part a, an excuse for me to interrogate the love lives of my Zoomer friends. I am on the older side of Zoomer of the Zoomers.

Brian Chau: And yeah, I basically asked, I asked around. I asked all three of the alt right catboys that I know in real life. Yeah, and basically tried to get a kind of gestalt, like we were talking about, a kind of summary of their love lives. People were very happy to offer, you know, these kind of predilections, being into especially certain type of anime girls.

Brian Chau: I feel like there is if you talk about a real life person who you're attracted to, I think there's this soft idea of, civil rights law coming, coming after you, if, or people, you know, who feel, who are, like, similar in appearance, feeling uncomfortable with that. And that's something that Zoomers have.[00:01:00]

Brian Chau: Want to avoid, but that's the same is not true for, for anime girls. So, so it's almost considered this is like, this is like this kind of like weird post sexuality thing

Would you like to know more?

Simone: Well, hello, we are super excited to have a VIP guest with us today, Brian Chow, he is first and foremost in our minds, of course, and from for the past quite a while of the host of the amazing podcast from the new world, really good long listen, if you are looking for something good to listen to to learn from amazing interviews.

Simone: But more recently, Brian has become a senior machine learning policy fellow. Brian at the Alliance for the Future, something that we shall talk about in another episode with him. But today, I think we're going to get into something really interesting. Brian, do you want to kick us off

Brian Chau: here? Right. So I was I was listening to another great podcast Basecamp with Simone Collins and Malcolm, Simone and Malcolm Collins.

Brian Chau: Yeah. So, so, so I listened to an episode that you guys done. You guys [00:02:00] did on your own about it was one of the ones about Zoomer sexuality and I thought I have so many takes on this and I'm not populating my sub stack with my Zoomer sexuality takes maybe, maybe like the paid feed, but you know, there's so many other things that I'm working on.

Brian Chau: Right now that I just want to be more, I just want the Substack to be more laser focused on, the podcast to be more laser focused on. Yeah, you're high culture, we're low culture. Okay, yeah yeah, we will be talking about that eventually. And yeah, I thought this was a great venue to talk about it. I think that we have, you know, some similarities, some disagreements probably.

Brian Chau: But I do think that there's just not enough, there's just not enough like... Horizontal exploration of this idea, right? This idea of kind of changing, changing the axis, changing how people interpret sexuality, the kind of like default narrative. This is the theme of my podcast often, is this kind of default narrative.

Brian Chau: And this is like orthogonal [00:03:00] to like the actual thing that's happening. I think, I think the episode of course that really, really struck through to me was the one about I think like submissive and dominance. But also, you know, also this wasn't this was actually after this was released after I reached out to you guys.

Brian Chau: But also, the one on alt right catgirls, that is very, very important topic of our generation. No, it's such a thing

Malcolm: is that the the concept of the alt right catgirl I keep seeing and The, as the right has, because it used to be like the left was sex positive and the right was sex negative to some extent, and now the, the left has totally ceded any, any manifestation that is sex, sex positive for men, you know, if I'm, I want my overwatch to have, you know, sexy tracer, but that is a right wing idea.

Malcolm: Which is really interesting.

Brian Chau: Right, it's the Barstool [00:04:00] Conservatives, right? Yeah. Yeah, the party of, the party of horny men and also the people who hate horny men the most. Yeah, I think that's a good description of the Republican Party. Although, you know, although some of the, some of the the, the right, the right wing elite, you know, are coming around to it.

Brian Chau: Have you guys talked about Bronze Age Pervert on the show? No. It's a good character to mention. We'd love for you to go deeper. Yeah. Okay, okay. So, yeah. So, Bronj's age pervert is this very hard to describe in one sentence. His, his philosophy is Nietzsche and bodybuilding.

Brian Chau: Done. Easy. Yeah.

Malcolm: Yeah. You describe him as like a, a poet he's much more interested in conveying poetry and an aesthetic than specific ideas in a way that is... It's really interesting and a new art form that works within the online medium. Yeah. It's very

Simone: practiced affectation.

Malcolm: Yes. But I fear that sometimes people confuse what he's saying with a systematically [00:05:00] and internally consistent world perspective, which is not, it's an aesthetically consistent moral perspective, but not really a logically consistent

Brian Chau: moral perspective.

Brian Chau: Right, right. I mean, this is something that I try to do as well. There's, you know, there's if you look at the history of it, there's, you know, political theory, you know, there's like Hobbes long treatises on, you know, how to run a state and the role of the citizen within the state. And, you know, that's one thing.

Brian Chau: I think that, you know, other than Autistic theory nerds, very few people are going to read anything like that. Maybe for your political science class, you know, maybe, maybe there are like kids who are sitting through their political science class who are listening to this. And then other than, and then there, there's on the other hand, these kind of like fully affective manifestos, and usually I, the way that I see it bridged is I see people giving like Straussian interpretations of basically artworks or of culture of different approaches to these [00:06:00] things, and using that as a way to create something that is that is normative, that is creating some sort of logical order, but without necessarily committing to, you know, the kind of legalism of someone like Hobbes.

Brian Chau: Hmm. I think that's the goal of Bronze Age mindset. It's a lot more obvious if you look at, for example I think Christopher Rufo is a good example of this, of someone who is like he's, like Christopher Rufo supports specific policies, right? I'm not sure he has like a consistent political theory, you know, like a theory of how, how, how the world works, how the political system should works in the same way that, you know, like classical liberalism or, you know, like Burkean conservatism is a political theory.

Brian Chau: It's very different from that, but he does have both an aesthetic and, you know, at least like a direction or a combination of things that he's trying to accomplish.

Malcolm: Well, I'd love to hear what's your thesis on how gender and sexuality are changing, [00:07:00] personally.

Brian Chau: Right. So, so there's just like a huge dominance shortage, right?

Brian Chau: You just see this everywhere. Actually, I'm not sure like how everywhere you see this. Right, but this was in part, like this episode specifically, was in part a, an excuse for me to interrogate the love lives of my Zoomer friends. I am on the older side of Zoomer of the Zoomers. I have many, you know, many friends some of them I assure you are good people.

Brian Chau: And yeah, I basically asked, I asked around. I talked about, you know, what issues we were going to discuss. I asked all three of the alt right catboys that I know in real life. Yeah, and basically tried to get a kind of gestalt, like we were talking about, a kind of summary of their love lives. And, you know, my, my old...[00:08:00]

Brian Chau: My old advice to my fellow zoomers was just, you know, it's actually very similar to something that you talked about in, in, in your book. That, you know, 10x ing the number of people you interact with does, accomplishes the same thing as making yourself 10x more attractive. Right. Like the chance of finding someone, the chance of finding someone good is, is the same if you, if you do both of those things, right?

Brian Chau: If you're, if you're specifically looking for one person who is, you know,

Simone: compatible with you. So I want to make two predictions so that you can correct me where I'm wrong. Or it was where I think. Gen Z is, and I want you to like, from your interview to say this is where you're totally off.

Simone: So one is, or maybe there's more than two things. Basically they're not having sex, or they're moving more in a direction of asexuality, or post sexuality. That there's, there's more conservatism, but not in ways that you would expect. It's not Oh, we should go back to the old ways or the traditional ways or [00:09:00] r