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Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams from Discourse in Magic tackle magic's hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore.



We jump into all sorts of resources and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!

Discourse in Magic Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

    • Arts
    • 5.0 • 32 Ratings

Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams from Discourse in Magic tackle magic's hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore.



We jump into all sorts of resources and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!

    Toronto Magic Company Returns To MagicLand

    Toronto Magic Company Returns To MagicLand

    Ben and Jonah are back with the latest from the Toronto Magic Company. This week they're returning to MagicLand and they want you to return with them. 

    • 27 min
    Developing Magic Through Technology with Trigg Watson

    Developing Magic Through Technology with Trigg Watson

    Jonah connects with Trigg Watson where they break down how he quit his corporate job to perform in magic full time, how he developed his reputation as the "tech magician", and his advice for you when developing magic for a video camera lens.

    • 1 hr 4 min
    Toronto Magic Company: Is Virtual Magic Ending?

    Toronto Magic Company: Is Virtual Magic Ending?

    Ben Train returns to join Jonah in another check in with the Toronto Magic Company where they discuss the changing dynamics of the magic industry during the pandemic, the launch of their YouTube programming, and their fears about the future of virtual magic.

    • 58 min
    Virtual Shows, Virtual Conventions, and Magic Podcasts with Kayla Dreshcer from Shezam!

    Virtual Shows, Virtual Conventions, and Magic Podcasts with Kayla Dreshcer from Shezam!

    A crossover episode with the Shezam podcast where Jonah and Kayla talk about producing magic podcasts, hosting virtual conventions, and the challenges facing the magic community today.

    • 1 hr 21 min
    Magic Appetizer: The Pivot Back

    Magic Appetizer: The Pivot Back

    Is virtual magic ending? This week Jonah offers up three tips to help you plan for the future when the world pivots back to live in-person events

    • 8 min
    The Future of Virtual Magic with Harrison Kramer

    The Future of Virtual Magic with Harrison Kramer

    Jonah is joined by virtual magician extraordinaire, Harrison Kramer, to discuss all things virtual magic and why it's here to stay forever.

    • 1 hr 6 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
32 Ratings

32 Ratings

matthew.ao ,

Phenomenal Podcast for Magicians

I met Jonah a couple years ago while I was still in high school. He was a staff member of this leadership conference I attended, and probably the first magician I met in real life! He inspired me greatly with his wit, wisdom, and how personable he was. Fast forward to today, I’m still gleaning nuggets of wisdom from his fantastic podcast and using it to improve my craft. Highly recommended podcast for anyone who loves performing magic.

Pet Detective10 ,

Inspiring Show

A great source of information and inspiration for anyone looking to build their magic career.

Aralakh ,

Mind blown

Fantastic resource for magicians at any stage. I’ve been listening for quite some time now since I got recommended this show. Wasn’t until I listened to the Manuel Llaser episode that my mind got completely blown - practical applications and mindset shifts all in one phenomenal episode, it was pure fire 🔥. And it’s really a testament to Jonah for being able to hold the space for his guests. Thanks for doing what your doing Jonah, I look forward to our paths to crossing eventually as I make my way on this magical journey. Gratitude from Alberta 🙏🏽.

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