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Product for Product is a show hosted by Matt Green and Moshe Mikanovsky aimed at helping listeners navigate the growing depth of product management tools while also providing our insights into the categories that make up the PM role. We will take listeners with us on a journey of discovery through areas of product analytics, road mapping, productivity and many others. If you want to keep up with the latest in product management come along for the ride!

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Product for Product Management Matt Green & Moshe Mikanovsky

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Product for Product is a show hosted by Matt Green and Moshe Mikanovsky aimed at helping listeners navigate the growing depth of product management tools while also providing our insights into the categories that make up the PM role. We will take listeners with us on a journey of discovery through areas of product analytics, road mapping, productivity and many others. If you want to keep up with the latest in product management come along for the ride!

Connect with us on LinkedIn:
https://linkedin.com/in/mattgr...
https://linkedin.com/in/mikano...

Connect with is on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channe...

    EP 110 - Net Adoption Threshold Framework with Anat Eldar

    EP 110 - Net Adoption Threshold Framework with Anat Eldar

    Is the MVP where we should stop at understanding whether we have a good direction to go with our product idea? Probably not.

    Join us to the latest episode, where Matt and Moshe have met with Anat Eldar, Product Leadership Consultant, as she goes through her Net Adoption Threshold (NAT) framework. 
    Drawing from her extensive product management roles at companies such as Amdocs, Microsoft, AOL, Yahoo and Taboola, as well as from her teaching at the Reichman University, Anat had developed NAT to help product managers and organizations understand not only what the value they create, but also whether it is greater than the costs (both sunk and switching costs) and the current solution’s value. 


    Join us as we learn from Anat:
    How did she get to product What is the Net Adoption Threshold (NAT) frameworkWho is it for and how they use itDoes it fit all types of products and situations?Does it work well with other frameworks or does it replace them?The breakdown of the NAT formula: New Solution Value - (Sunk Costs + Switching Costs) > Current Solution Value How do we quantify each of these? What is the most important thing to quantify in this process?Some pitfalls when startups attempt to implement the NAT framework and how to avoid themHow often should they assess the NAT if things are changing?How to start adopting NAT right awayAnd much more!
    You can connect with Anat at:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anateldar/ Read more from Anat about NAT: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rethinking-mvp-introducing-net-adoption-threshold-nat-anat-eldar-jmpef/
    You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:   
     
    Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/


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    • 53 min
    EP 109 - Startups ‘24: Lodestone with Dennis Chow

    EP 109 - Startups ‘24: Lodestone with Dennis Chow

    This year we are changing a bit how we publish episodes about startups that build innovative products for product people. Instead of creating a series with several episodes in a row like we did in previous years, we are going to release one-of episodes, as we find and get to interview the founders of the startups.

    The first Startup of 2024 is Lodestone. We have met with Dennis Chow, seasoned Product Executive, with rich experience in product management at major Canadian telecom companies Rogers and Telus, Sears, Pivotal Payments, Intuit, TouchBistro and more. An instructor at Product Faculty and advisor to startups, Dennis always looked for ways to help communicate complex product decisions into simple ways that are easily and transparently shared up and across the organization.

    This was the first problem he set out to solve as founder and CEO of Lodestone, but his vision is much larger than that!

    Join Matt and Moshe as we chat with Dennis and learn:


    - His path to Product Management, working in chunks of 5 years (10K hours) to get great at what he does and move his career forward
    - The vision of Lodestone, a Product Management toolkit that help PMs move faster and get more things done
    - The sunburst roadmap, a visual roadmap tool that one one hand, helps connecting epics and stories with the strategy, and on the other hand, helps product managers tell a better story 
    - Other features such as feature repository, documentation generator with the help of AI - to help PMs start from something rather than a blank page
    - The difference between roadmaps and release plans
    - His vision for the next 5 years of Lodestone, including more value to product leaders and early stage startup founders
    - How does Lodestone works with research and discovery data
    - And much more!

    * You can connect with Dennis at:

    - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ch.../ 
    - Twitter: @lodestonepm
    - Lodestone: http://lodestone.pm/ 

    You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:


    - http://linkedin.com/company/pr... linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast
    - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma... - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/
    - http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik... - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/


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    • 55 min
    EP 108 - Untrapping Product Teams with David Pereira

    EP 108 - Untrapping Product Teams with David Pereira

    We are happy to have on the podcast a returning guest, a long friend of Product for Product, David Pereira, to celebrate the publication of his first book, Untrapping Product Teams.
    Following his passion to build the right things, to write, and to share his knowledge with the world, David spent the last year writing and iterating on the book, in order to make it as accessible and as relatable to everyone out there struggling in their trapped product work.

    We spent a bit of time learning what David was up to since the last time we talked on the show (Episode 27, Writing & Mind Mapping to improve PM skills). Other than being busy writing the book, David became the CEO of omoqo GmbH, where he started first in the CPO position, as well as co-founding the Agile Product Manifesto.

    Joins us as we learn from David:

    Why did he write the bookWho the book is for, primarily product managers but leaders can benefit too. Even Agile coaches see lots of value in the book - they can finally talk better with product managerWhat is covered in the book and how the book is structure; first face reality asap, understand the reality, figure out how the company works, mindsets, challenges, what stands in the way. Then, untrapping, what are the ingredients needed for that such as strategy, delivery, results etc. And lastly how to remain untrappedTelling stories throughout the book from his experience, stories that connect with people, to help simplify the pointsWriting and developing the book as a product - starting with an experiment, converting people over, interviewing, etcCoordinating workflows vs Collaborative workflowsHow to earn empowermentHow product managers deliver value via collaboration And much more!
    You can connect with David at:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidavpereira/Buy the book: Untrapping Product Teams (affiliate link)Untrapping Product Teams Newsletter: https://dpereira.substack.com/Website: https://www.d-pereira.com/ Agile Product Manifesto: https://agileproductmanifesto.com/ 

    You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:     - 
    Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast  Matt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests,  and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.

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    • 45 min
    EP 107 - Product Management in IOT with Ricardo Vidal

    EP 107 - Product Management in IOT with Ricardo Vidal

    Managing products that have both software and hardware is always more tricky than those with software only. In the past it was limited to servers and communication devices, and to very specialized machinery like medical devices, transportation and such. With the advancements of reduced computing chip sizes and improved speed and powers, along with cloud computing, IoT (Internet of Things) has taken our life to an entirely different level with new smart devices that can help us anywhere we are. From home devices to control things at home and provide reports of power consumption, to smart cars, and whole smart cities.For most product managers that have worked only on software digital products, it is hard to imagine what are the added complexities created with the addition of hardware development to the mix.

    On this episode we met with Ricardo Vidal, Head of Product at Poppy, a Canadian company building IoT devices that provide instant, accurate HVAC performance monitoring for any indoor space, used by commercial properties and corporations to save energy costs, decarbonize buildings and keep occupants healthy.With a background in bioengineering, and then developing software solutions for the scientific community, moving into IoT was a challenge Ricardo willingly took, and he learned so many lessons building the different generations of Poppy.

    Join us as we learn from Ricardo some of those lessons, and tools used by IoT product teams:
    Understanding the constraints when working in Hardware, such as; the process, time frames and when there is more pressure because of these constraints, access to materials and the supply chain, materials and manufacturing costs, Learn the terminology used by mechanical and electrical engineersSecurity issues that are amplified with connection from anywhereSpecialized tools for hardware development, to manage Bill of Materials, cost of goods, change management, documentation etc.Connecting our IoT devices to the cloud via common Cloud APIs Firmware considerations for constant needed updatesUsing hardware prototypes for experimentation and A/B testingGrafana - real time data sensor testing to alert clients if there sensors are not working properlyAnd much more!
    You can connect with Riocardo at:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rvidal/ X: @rvidalPoppy: Poppy.com You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:     - 
    Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/




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    • 50 min
    EP 106 - Break-Free with Henry Latham

    EP 106 - Break-Free with Henry Latham

    Henry Latham is a good friend of the podcast, and we talked with him in the past on a few occasions (episode 25 - Tools for Aspiring Product Managers, episode 47 - No Code Platforms - Softr, and episode 65 New book: Product Strategy is Simple). We are happy to have Henry on the show again, introducing his new venture and program Break Free.

    In recent year, Henry have identified a trend in the Product Management world, where many product people shows dissatisfaction with their career, moving from one company to the next, trying to find the best culture to work at and create impact in the world, only to be discouraged by organizational culture that didn’t empower them and the rest of the team to build meaningfully. 
    This is when he decided to pivot his focus into helping the product management community to create their own destiny, by helping aspiring self-employed individuals, who mainly come from the product management world (but not limited to them), to build their own micro-business from 0 to 1st sale in 48 hours.

    In the episode, we talked with Henry about his pivot, and what the program, Break Free, is all about:
    Why did he make the shift/pivot from ProdMBA to build itThe challenges of product managers out thereReasons, or more like excuses, that product people use to not starting a new business on the sideThe MVP that he started Break Free withLearnings from starting business to Product Management and vice versaWho is Break Free for? The 5 steps of the Break Free Sprint The importance of product managers selling their own productsStarting small as a service that is not scalable rather than thinking big right up front and failingAnd much more!You can connect with Henry at:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/henrylatham/Break Free: BreakFreeSprints.com 
    You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
    Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
    Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests,  and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.

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    • 55 min
    EP 105 - Product Momentum Gap with Dave Martin

    EP 105 - Product Momentum Gap with Dave Martin

    Have your worked for a product company where the beginning was amazing - everyone were aligned towards the same goal, the product that the team built was an exact fit for the problems that it’s users had, and everything just came out nicely - but then, as the company grew, things didn’t fit as well, new features were not adopted, and overall, the feeling is that you lost the awesome momentum you had?This is what Dave Martin calls the Product Momentum Gap. 

    In this episode, Matt and Moshe are hosting Dave, Outcome Leadership Coach at Right to Left, veteran product leader and fractional CPO, who co-authored the book “The Product Momentum Gap: Bringing together product strategy and customer value” with our past guest Andrea Saez (episode 22), to talk about this problem, and a framework he developed to overcome it.

    There are many reasons why companies fall into the Product Momentum Gap. It can be due to confirmation biases, collective bias (following the loudest person in the room), product strategy that doesn’t commit to a specific solution, amongst other reasons.Identifying the problem is the first step in moving forward to fix it. Then, using the Product VCP (Value Creation Plan) framework, developed by Dave, companies can align their strategy to an actionable plan that will eventually change users’ behavior.

    Join us on the episode to learn:
    How did Dave started his career in product leadershipThe product craft vs product leadership What is the Product Momentum GapMore problems that cause companies to fall into the Product Momentum GapThe Product VCP framework - how to execute the strategy How the Product VCP was created over time and with over 50 companies How to handle situations where companies don’t want to take the time to stop and go through the process of defining the Product VCPThe importance of discovery throughout the processAnd so much moreYou can connect with Dave at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrdavemartin/ Buy the book: The Product Momentum Gap: Bringing together product strategy and customer value (affiliate link)Right to Left:  www.righttoleft.io Outcome Habits newsletter: www.outcomehabits.comYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast - https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests,  and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

    • 43 min

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R.amsay ,

Great listen—especially to learn about new useful tools

I love the Product by Product podcast—it's helped me learn about so many tools I wouldn't have (and gave me a sense of what they can do). I love that it goes beyond just surface-level advice and instead provides an in-depth analysis. The guests are always great, and Matt and Moshe have a great dynamic. Well worth a listen!

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