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Jason Colby (author of Orca: How We Came to Know and Love the Ocean's Greatest Predator) talks with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young about the capture of Toki/Tokitae/Lolita/Sk’aliCh’elh-tenaut and how Penn Cove almost ended the southern resident orcas and was the beginning of the end of the capture era. "It's worth remembering that the argument at the time, if there could have been a debate at the time, it was really between whale catching and whale shooting, not whale catching and whale watching."

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0:00 The voice of Toki.



4:08 Jason Colby on writing the book - or at least a very long chapter of his book - on Penn Cove.



6:05 "They eventually capture virtually all of these orcas behind nets. They estimate at the time around 90 individuals... The estimates vary but almost certainly the entire population of the Southern residents."



7:43 "It's worth remembering that the argument at the time, if there could have been a debate at the time, it was really between whale catching and whale shooting, not whale catching and whale watching."



8:50 "Once they rounded them up, 90 to 100 animals, if Ted Griffin and his company would have wanted to and would have had the market to sell all 90 of them they could have done that. If they had wanted to shoot them all in the nets, they could have done that. There may have been a firearms violation, but there would be no sort of conservation law violation."



10:30 "This must have been horrifically traumatic for these pods to be torn apart."



11:20 How activists trying to free the orcas accidentally kill four baby orcas.



12:20 Hiding the bodies... "Whether it was illegal or not, it looks like a murder scene."



14:20 Is Toki really L Pod or did she learn how to speak L Pod from Hugo in Miami?



20:04 "It was a generational loss."



21:20 "If Griffin had done what the fisherman who was helping him demanded - which is to sell all of them all - you could have seen the entire population of Southern residents extinguished before we had even identified them scientifically as a population."



23:00 How to help orcas today and the problems humans are creating for orcas today.



26:04 Toki talks.

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Howard Garrett (Orca Network) remembering the southern resident orca Toki/Tokitae/Lolita/Sk’aliCh’elh-tenaut and his nearly thirty year fight to bring Toki home to the Salish Sea. "Toki's legacy is building, building, building by the day... She wasn't just a circus animal. She was a member of the southern residents."

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0:00 The voice of Toki.

4:57 How Howard started fighting to bring Toki home



7:50 "I really feel like she would have thrived and been thrilled and so relieved to be in her familiar waters."



14:16 A superpod wake for Toki?



15:55 The Lummi Nation's fight for Toki.



20:05  The origins of Toki's names and becoming Sk’aliCh’elh-tenaut.



21:44 "Her tank violated the very dismal standard of the animal welfare act..."



30:15 Getting the news that she was gone.



34:00 Toki's legacy.



43:00 Toki speaks.

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Howard Garrett meeting Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young in happier times at a conference in 2017 in Vancouver. A story by Mark about Toki in The Times Colonist: Comment: Remembering Tokitae: The last southern resident orca in captivity







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Author and biologist Rowena Rae on swimming with salmon, threats to this essential species and their incredible resilience with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young. "Salmon can thrive if we just give them a chance... if people would just get out of the way, they can thrive".



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3:54 On becoming a biologist and leaving biology for writing.

7:12 Introducing young readers to the story of Rachel Carson.



9:20 Introducing Rachel Carson and the importance of Silent Spring.



12:20 Swimming with salmon.



14:07 Keystone species and why they matter.



19:oo  Humans Vs. Salmon; almost everything eats salmon  — salmon as “eco-system engineers".



23:44 How to save Chinook salmon.



26:09 The fish farm jail-break in Washington State.



28:50 On the resilience of nature and salmon, and why to have hope. "They’re tenacious, they hang on … salmon can thrive if we just give them a chance".



31:30 How we can help salmon.

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Rowena Rae, Mark Leiren-Young & Nicole F. Smith reading at the Royal BC Museum - Oceans Week 2023



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Shark expert Alessandro De Maddalena talks with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young about hunting for the perfect shark photo, the two orcas who are hunting great white sharks in South African waters, what makes great whites great and so much more! "The reason I love sharks is that they are a perfect art form. I consider Mother Nature the greatest artist.”





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4:22 How Alessandro De Maddalena fell for sharks as a kid and why sharks are cooler than dinosaurs.

9:00 Why he thinks the great white is great: “the first time I was watching a great white underwater it was magic… The reason I love sharks is that they are a perfect art form. I consider Mother Nature the greatest artist.”

13:10 Perfect predators and perfect book titles.

17:01 How little sharks care about humans. "Sharks care very little about humans. In most cases they don't care at all."

21:40 "The fear was born with Jaws..."

27:50 "People like to be afraid. People like monsters. People also like to create monsters."

28:44 Leading Great White Shark expeditions.

33:40 His three best moments with sharks.

37:15 The truth behind the orcas attacking sharks in South Africa. No they are not a major threat to the great white shark population!



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Sean Holman @Seanholman founder and lead of the Climate Disaster Project @cdp_community talks with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young @leirenyoung about the past and future of the media's climate coverage, fighting fires with facts and sharing stories to save the future.





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5:00 Welcome Sean Holman. Why he challenged journalists to do better in their climate coverage.

10:57 The challenge of news cycles moving faster than science

15:10 “There is a lot that we can individually do about combat climate change creating collective action around that. as an example In the United States if everyone switched from eating beef to beans the United States would have actually met the greenhouse gas targets that were set by Obama.”

16:34 "“Almost all of us are climate disaster survivors in one way shape or form but many of us are also perpetrators of climate change as well in our individual lives.”

17:01 Climate impact on the oceans.

21:53 Climate impact on the economy

23:44 How the smoke from the 2017 BC Wildfire season changed the way he saw the world

26:40 The origins of the Climate Disaster Project and the importance of creating community

29:33 What gives Sean Holman hope



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Jonathan Mesulam @MesulamJonathan Founder and Coordinator of the West Coast Development Foundation in New Guinea talks with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young @leirenyoung about the crucial fight to stop Deep Sea Mining in his home - New Guinea - and around the world.





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5:00 Welcome to Jonathan Mesulam

10:00 The importance of the church in fighting sea bed mining in New Guinea

12:20 Calling out Canada for allowing Canadian companies to mine in the waters off other countries

14:49 "No one knows the risk."

16:23 On displacing communities. "If the sea is destroyed where are people going to get food?"

21:40 On leaving teaching to fight for the oceans.

25:12 "This fight is not really about us, it's about everyone."

27:00 All the places the sign we carried has traveled.

28:32 What he'd like Canadians to do. "We're looking at the Pacific Ocean and it's connecting you and me.Any activity on the Pacific Ocean is going to affect your coastline as well. The sea has no boundary... Canadians really need to speak up... Canadians should say no to sea bed mining... This project is a Canadian initiation."



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