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What happens when two friends start a business?

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What happens when two friends start a business?

    #81 - Confronting a panic attack

    #81 - Confronting a panic attack

    After talking with previous guest Alex Lieberman about panic and anxiety, Dan and Nathan walk through their memories of a panic attack that Dan experienced. In an effort to make peace with something that was deeply troubling at the time it happened, Dan has a lot of questions to answer for himself—and luckily, Nathan is there to ask them.

    • 16 min
    #80 - Alex Lieberman opens up about his move from CEO to Executive Chairman of Morning Brew

    #80 - Alex Lieberman opens up about his move from CEO to Executive Chairman of Morning Brew

    “I would say the last 3 months have been probably the most anxious months of the last 6 years for me.”

    Alex Lieberman’s identity for the past 7 years has been almost entirely about being the co-founder and CEO of Morning Brew. He created it from scratch, grew it to a $20m business, and then sold it for a reported ~$75m to Axel Springer, the parent company of Insider.

    But now all of that is in the past. While Alex will always be a co-founder of Morning Brew, he doesn’t own the business anymore. And, about a month ago, an even bigger change happened: Alex stepped out of the CEO role, and his co-founder Austin Rief stepped up.

    Exiting is always an awkward topic. On the one hand, it can make you very rich. On the other hand, it carries with it a whole host of complicated issues: a loss of identity, a loss of purpose, and a changed relationship with the people you work with most closely.

    Unfortunately, most founders never talk about this to anyone beyond their inner circle. There is a fear of being seen as weak, or as a complainer. But the best leaders understand the power that comes from honest vulnerability.

    Fortunately, in the first few minutes of this interview Alex Lieberman refers to himself as an “oversharer.” And he doesn’t shy away from talking about exactly the kinds of things that most people think they need to keep to themselves. In this interview we talk about:

    - What it was like to sell his business, and to move from CEO to Executive Chairman.
    - Why the last few months have been the most anxious of his career since founded Morning Brew
    - His worries about how people might perceive his move to Executive Chairman, and his relationship with his co-founder
    - His feelings of lost identity, and his fears around losing what he is most passionate about
    - His struggles with OCD and panic during his years building Morning Brew, and the ways he’s worked to cope with them

    Alex comes off as vulnerable, honest, and extremely self-aware. We were honored to have him on, and we think you’ll learn a lot from this episode. We did too.

    • 47 min
    #79 - Is Nathan unmanageable?

    #79 - Is Nathan unmanageable?

    Dan had a dream about Nathan, and in this episode they unpack it together to try to figure what it means. It turns into a conversation about perfectionism, managing different zones of responsibility, and one of Dan’s deepest fears: is Nathan unmanageable?

    • 18 min
    #78 - We got to record an episode in person. What's next?

    #78 - We got to record an episode in person. What's next?

    Celebrating their first (!) episode recorded on the same microphone, Dan and Nathan reflect on the birth Talk Therapy—and Every—amidst the pandemic, and wonder about the future of working remotely and in person. Will Every buy a house for writing residencies? Join forces with a bookstore? Both?

    • 15 min
    #77 - Under Talk Therapy's hood, with guest host Freia Lobo

    #77 - Under Talk Therapy's hood, with guest host Freia Lobo

    Dan and Nathan are joined by Talk Therapy's inaugural guest host, Every community member (and investor!) Freia Lobo—who also happens to be an avid listener. Answering Freia's questions about their podcast's near-yearlong journey, the cohosts and cofounders discuss their boundaries for on-air discussions, why the pod has become an integral part of their working mental health, and what they hope the business community at large might take away from their show.

    • 19 min
    #76 - Introducing Executive Editor Rachel Jepsen!

    #76 - Introducing Executive Editor Rachel Jepsen!

    Dan and Nathan celebrate Rachel Jepsen's official introduction as Every's Executive Editor! Since last year, Rachel has been working with Every writers—and hosting her own show, The Long conversation. Now, she talks to Nathan and Dan about her shift from writing to editing, and how the collective has pushed her back towards fostering her passion for the former.

    • 32 min

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