The SSI Orbit Podcast – Self-Sovereign Identity, Decentralization and Digital Trust Mathieu Glaude

Is there truly a clear separation between personal and organizational identity? This fundamental question lies at the heart of our most recent conversation on The SSI Orbit podcast, where host Mathieu Glaude sat down with identity expert Daniel Hardman.



The conversation explores the learnings and insights Hardman has gained from his extensive experience in the SSI space and the importance of the human element in the identity domain. Mathieu and Daniel discuss the limitations of the term 'governance' and propose reframing it as 'empowerment.' They also delve into organizational identity and its inextricably intertwined relationship with individual identity. The complexity of managing relationships and roles within organizations is highlighted, along with the need for clear distinctions between facets of identity. The conversation also touches on the challenges of managing identifiers and the critical importance of versioning and trust in the context of organizational identity.



Hardman's exploration of the intricate relationship between personal and organizational identity underscores the significance of understanding roles, relationships, and context when managing identities. His compelling perspective challenges the current mental model that compartmentalizes personal and organizational identity, inviting a more nuanced understanding of the true nature of identity.



Prepare to be captivated by this thought-provoking episode as it uncovers the strategies, tools, and mindsets needed to navigate the complexities of identity management. Unlock the full potential of self-sovereign identity in both personal and enterprise settings as you delve into this intriguing conversation.



Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Learnings in SSI

02:27 Reframing Governance as Empowerment

07:52 The Intertangled Nature of Organizational and Individual Identity

14:12 Managing Relationships and Roles in Organizational Identity

24:32 Versioning and Trust in Organizational Identity

Empowerment tech is about tools that start and end on the customer side, helping individuals make better decisions and get things done. It aligns the incentives of both individuals and organizations, leading to healthier and more sustainable outcomes. The role of regulators is to define outcomes and ensure compliance, but empowerment tech can change how regulators think about enforcement and create more value for individuals and organizations.

Open banking and open finance are key enablers of empowerment tech, allowing individuals to control and share their data with different financial institutions. The technology behind empowerment tech, such as verifiable credentials and cryptography, is crucial but needs to be complemented by business and legal considerations.

The conversation explores the future of blockchain networks and platforms, the role of wallets and credentials in solving attribution problems, the potential of personal agents, and the value of data in creating AI models. It discusses the commoditization of wallets and identity, the importance of trust and business models, and the dominance of Apple and Google in data services. The conversation also touches on the evolving UI models and the impact of generational expectations. Overall, it highlights the need for a multidisciplinary approach to design and interaction in the digital identity space.

Chapters:

00:02 Defining Empowerment Tech

02:01 Aligning Incentives Between Customers and Businesses 

04:41 The Role of Regulators in Promoting Empowerment Tech 

07:57 The Potential of Open Banking and Open Finance

09:39 The Rise of Personal AI Agents 

16:21 Wallets, Credentials, and the Future of Digital Interactions 

21:50 Platforms, Protocols, and the Economics of Empowerment Tech 

28:47 Rethinking User Interfaces and Device-Centric Experiences

35:22 Generational Shifts and the Future of Digital Relationships 

41:16 Building Trust Through Design and Ethics

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of online content? In today's digital landscape, it's becoming increasingly difficult to discern fact from fiction. Join host Mathieu Glaude as he welcomes Eric Scouten from Adobe's Content Authenticity Initiative to discuss solutions for verifying the provenance and integrity of digital media.

In this conversation, you'll learn:


The challenges of combating misinformation and disinformation online
How the Content Authenticity Initiative aims to differentiate legitimate content
The role of technical standards like C2PA in establishing content provenance
Strategies for ensuring individual and organizational content authorshipDon't miss this opportunity to gain valuable insights into the world of content authenticity and learn how to separate truth from deception online. Tune in now!



00:00 - Intro to Content Authenticity Initiative, C2PA

09:43 - Content Supply Chains

14:57 - Type of Content Covered under Content Authenticity Initiative

22:00 - How does the C2PA work?

25:40 - User Experience for Content Publishers and Consumers

29:40 - Tracking Content Edits through Actions Assertions

31:30 - Machine, Organization and Human Signatures

39:00 - What does the broader Content Authenticity Ecosystem Look Like?

41:04 - Creator Assertions Working Group, Ongoing Deployments, Metadata Storage, Closing Thoughts

In this episode of the SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude talks with Dominik Beron, Co-Founder and CEO of walt.id, about the game-changing eIDAS 2 regulation and its impact on decentralized identity across Europe. They explore organizations' growing interest in issuing credentials, the potential challenges facing traditional identity verification companies, and the mixed sentiments surrounding the regulation's timing.



01:29 Significance of EIDAS 2

10:28 Potential Disruption of Identity Verification Companies

13:13 Negative Sentiments towards EIDAS 2

21:19 Alignment in Digital Identity Offerings of Different Nation States 

25:36 Role of European Blockchain Services Infrastructure (EBSI)

30:33 Value of Digital Credentials on Blockchain Networks

40:00 The Genesis of Open Source Strategy

44:16 Benefits of Building an Open Source Company

48:53 Contributing to Open Source Projects

50:23 The Future of Wallets

55:13 Digital Signatures and Identity Wallets

In this episode, Mathieu Glaude hosts Hakan Yildiz from Accenture and Vladimir Simjanoski from Blokverse to explore the world of digital credential protocols like Aries, OpenID4VC, ISO, and KERI. The discussion provides a comprehensive analysis of these protocols, focusing on their interoperability, privacy, and the future of digital identity. The episode highlights critical issues like combating deepfakes and the Trust Over IP Foundation’s Credential Exchange Protocol task force. Join us for this insightful conversation.

0:22 - 18:48 - Comparing Digital Credential Exchange Protocols: Aries, OpenID, ISO and KERI
18:49 - 26:22 - Profiles, Interoperability, Test Suites
26:23 - 36:15 - Interoperability from the Perspectives of Issuers, Holders and Verifiers
36:17 - 44:10 - Protocol Requirements for Humans, Organisations, and Machines
44:11 - 53:08 - Surveillance and Correlation, Privacy Considerations
53:09 - 58:38 - Deciding Data Sharing: Balancing Autonomy, Regulations, and Governance for Holders
58:39 - 1:02:41 - Combating Deepfakes: Enhancing Content Authenticity with Digital Credentials and Signatures.
1:02:43 1:07:27 - Vision Behind the Trust over IP’s Credential Exchange Protocol Task Force

Markus Sabadello has been a pioneer and leader in the field of digital identity for many years and has contributed to cutting-edge technologies that have emerged in this space.

He is co-editor of the Decentralized Identifiers specification at W3C and co-chair of the Identifiers and Discovery Working Group at the Decentralized Identity Foundation.

Markus is founder of Danube Tech, a consulting and development company that works on DID-related infrastructure and products, including the Universal Resolver, Universal Registrar, and the Godiddy.com platform.

About Podcast Episode

Read more about the episode by heading to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://northernblock.io/podcasts/decentralized-identifiers-strengths-weaknesses-opportunities-threats⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

The full list of topics discussed between Markus and Mathieu in this episode include:


[00:47] Comparison of DIDs to Other Verifiable Identifiers: Exploring how DIDs contrast with other types of verifiable identifiers and their benefits over traditional identifiers like email addresses and phone numbers.
[11:50] How to trust a DID?: Identifying the technical and governance aspects necessary for trusting DIDs.
[15:46] Building Trust Around DID Methods: Discussing the challenges and approaches to building trust in various DID methods, considering technical integrity and governance.
[23:34] Multi-Factor Authentication for DIDs: Considering whether incorporating multi-factor authentication concepts into DIDs is a viable framing.
[25:34] Governance and Human Trust Inputs in DID Documents:Debating the inclusion of governance or human trust inputs in DID documents and whether these should remain purely technical.
[31:13] Placing Claims in DID Documents: Discussing the implications of including claims in DID documents, especially concerning privacy, correlation, and data privacy laws.
[39:11] Opportunities for DIDs: Identifying opportunities for DIDs to become easier to use, deploy, and provide value, including DID method discovery.
[44:04] Value of DIDs Across Different Protocols: Questioning whether a particular DID method retains the same value across different credential exchange protocols.
[52:01] Why the Market Should Focus More on Identifiers: Reflecting on the emphasis on verifiable credentials over identifiers and trust models in the context of ongoing digital identity programs.
[58:00] Working Groups and Activities for DIDs: Highlighting current working groups and activities related to DIDs where listeners can contribute and engage.

Where to find Markus?


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