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In this episode of "Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski," retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke discusses the complexities and controversies surrounding the Karen Read trial, particularly focusing on the conduct of lead investigator Michael Proctor. The conversation scrutinizes Proctor's testimony and his access to John O'Keefe's Ring account, which raised concerns about missing video evidence and potential tampering. Dreeke emphasizes the critical role of credible leadership in investigations and how negative confirmation bias can severely undermine the integrity of a case. The discussion highlights Proctor's inappropriate behavior and its implications for the trial, including the potential for swaying the jury and undermining public trust in law enforcement. Dreeke and Brueski also explore the broader ramifications of Proctor's actions on other cases he has handled and the overall perception of the justice system within the community. They stress the importance of objectivity and professionalism in law enforcement, noting how Proctor's actions have contributed to a toxic environment and community frustration, leading to movements like "Free Karen Read."

**Main Points:**
- Discussion of Michael Proctor's access to John O'Keefe's Ring account and missing video evidence.
- Importance of credible leadership and objectivity in investigations.
- Impact of negative confirmation bias on the integrity of the case.
- Proctor's inappropriate behavior and its potential to sway the jury.
- Broader implications for other cases Proctor has been involved in.
- Community frustration with law enforcement leading to movements like "Free Karen Read."
- Stress on the need for professionalism and integrity in law enforcement.

#MichaelProctor #KarenRead #JohnOKeefe #RobinDreeke #TonyBrueski #InvestigativeIntegrity #FreeKarenRead
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In a captivating series of conversations on the podcast "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski delves into the mind of one of the most notorious serial killers alive today, Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer. The series features extensive interviews with Dr. Katherine Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography and a professor of forensic psychology. Brueski and Ramsland provide a fascinating insight into the psyche of a murderer, drawing from years of correspondence and interactions between Ramsland and Rader himself.
 
Ramsland's approach to understanding Rader involved extensive communication through letters and phone calls, exploring the intricate world of a killer's mind. "Well, he has what I believe is hypergraphia. Which is excessive writing," Ramsland revealed. "He would fill pages and pages of details...but just the fact that I would have these written documents was good because then I could use those as springboards for questions back to him."
 
Notably, Rader maintained certain degrees of respect and discipline throughout the process, which Ramsland describes as unusual amongst serial killers. "Rader was not like that. He was respectful. He appreciated what I was trying to do. He read some difficult things. I sent a couple of books that I wanted him to read and think about and comment on regarding his own case, and he made his way through them," she said.
 
As a part of her research, Ramsland encouraged Rader to read books like "The Anatomy of Violence" by Adrian Rain, a leading forensic psychologist. Rader's narcissism often guided his interest, focusing on segments of the text that seemed relevant to his situation.
 
Interestingly, Ramsland mentioned that Rader showed a keen interest in understanding his own actions and behavior, an aspect that isn't often observed in psychopathic individuals. "He is interested in knowing why he turned out to be this way, especially because he, you know, lost a lot was at stake. He lost his family, he lost his social standing," Ramsland commented.
 
One aspect of their conversation brought out a rather unexpected side of Rader - his emotional response to a documentary about his crimes. Ramsland noted, "It made him cry when he watched the other people talking on it." This sparked a discussion on the depth and authenticity of Rader's emotional responses, which Ramsland explained are often superficial in psychopathic individuals.
 
However, Ramsland does not assert these observations as definitive proof of Rader's psychopathy or ability to feel remorse. "I'm not inside his head. I can't say that he has how deep his feelings go. I can't say that about anybody I know," she says, highlighting the complexities and limitations of studying such individuals.
 
The series "Hidden Killers" provides an unnerving yet enthralling look into the world of true crime, expertly helmed by Brueski. With Dr. Katherine Ramsland's invaluable insights into the mind of a murderer, the series invites listeners to gain a more profound understanding of the macabre world of serial killers like Dennis Rader.
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In this episode, Shavaun Scott discusses the ongoing trial of Karen Read. The conversation highlights numerous inconsistencies and questionable actions in the prosecution’s case against Read, leading to significant doubt about her guilt. Scott explains that the expectation for law enforcement and prosecutors to present an impeccable case is not being met, especially with the mishandling of key evidence such as the reversed video footage. The discussion explores the possibility of either sloppy police work or a misguided attempt by the police to make the case against Read more compelling, which ironically raises more red flags and doubts. Scott suggests that Read might not have intentionally murdered John O’Keefe but was too intoxicated to remember hitting him accidentally. The conversation also delves into the broader issue of the justice system prioritizing winning over uncovering the truth, leading to distortions and potentially unjust outcomes. 

Main points from the conversation:





The prosecution’s case against Karen Read is fraught with inconsistencies and mishandled evidence.
The reversed video footage presented by the prosecution undermines their credibility.
There is a significant expectation for law enforcement to present a flawless case, which is not being met in this trial.
The possibility of either sloppy police work or intentional manipulation of evidence is discussed.
Read might not have intentionally killed O’Keefe but was too intoxicated to remember the incident.
The justice system often prioritizes winning over discovering the truth, leading to distorted cases.


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The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

In the latest episode of "Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski," former Felony Prosecutor and attorney Eric Faddis discusses the perplexing case of Jennifer Soto, the mother of Maddie Soto. Faddis analyzes the troubling circumstances surrounding Jennifer's involvement with Stephan Stearns, who faces serious charges, while Jennifer herself remains uncharged. The conversation explores various theories about Jennifer's potential complicity or cooperation with the authorities against Stearns. Faddis highlights the disturbing inconsistencies in Jennifer's statements, including her changing story about Maddie's last known whereabouts and the bizarre practice of numbering rooms in the house. These inconsistencies, coupled with the revelation that Jennifer allowed Stearns to sleep in the same bed as her daughter even after their breakup, cast a shadow on her credibility. The discussion raises questions about possible charges Jennifer could face, such as false reporting or child neglect, and considers the defense strategy she might employ if charged. Faddis speculates that Jennifer could argue she was under duress, influenced by an abusive relationship with Stearns. The episode also touches on the broader implications of the case, drawing parallels with other high-profile child abuse cases, and considers how Jennifer's actions might impact the jury's perception if she is brought to trial.
- Jennifer Soto's involvement with Stephan Stearns, who faces serious charges, remains uncharged.
- Various theories about Jennifer's potential complicity or cooperation with authorities against Stearns are discussed.
- Jennifer's inconsistent statements about Maddie's last known whereabouts are highlighted.
- The bizarre practice of numbering rooms in Jennifer's house raises suspicions.
- Jennifer allowed Stearns to sleep in the same bed as her daughter even after their breakup.
- Possible charges Jennifer could face include false reporting and child neglect.
- Jennifer might argue she was under duress due to an abusive relationship with Stearns.
- The episode draws parallels with other high-profile child abuse cases to consider the broader implications.

**Hashtags:**
#JenniferSoto #MaddieSoto #StephanStearns #HiddenKillers #ChildNeglect #FalseReporting #DuressDefense
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In a gripping and revealing conversation, forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland, known for her deep-dive exploration into the mind of the notorious serial killer, Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer), spoke with Tony Brueski on the podcast "Hidden Killers". Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography, offered an unrivaled glimpse into the process of understanding extreme offenders, her experiences with Rader, and the effect of this journey on the field of criminology and forensic psychology.
 
 Ramsland shared, "I've been teaching a course on extreme offenders for several decades... I had just finished a book where I looked at a dozen cases of mental health experts who had spent a lot of time with either a mass or serial killer, trying to learn as much detail about their developmental process as possible." The opportunity to work on Rader's biography, she mentioned, was one that she couldn't turn down, even though it meant navigating complex situations and trust-building exercises.
 
 A significant part of the process was to gain the trust of both Rader and the victims' families. Ramsland explained, "I had to write a proposal that everybody agreed with and it essentially, it was to be able to use whatever [Rader] tells me to benefit law enforcement, criminology and forensic psychology." It was a sensitive negotiation that demanded empathy, understanding, and clinical detachment.
 
 The project had a significant impact on Ramsland's career and research in criminology. Her time with Rader involved prison visits, phone conversations, detailed letters, and a study of his drawings and poetry, among other things. "It taught me things, taught him things. I think it did make a contribution... some people, I use it as a textbook in my classes," Ramsland said, affirming the value of the project to her field.
 
 Ramsland emphasized that the process of gaining trust was intricate and multifaceted. With the victims' families, she demonstrated her clinical interest and stated her intent to avoid any glorification or excessive graphic details. Ramsland recounted, "I think when I told them my intent... and agreed to the terms, um, and that this was really for me, a professional research project. And that's what I wanted to use it for. They were on board."
 
 On the other hand, building a relationship with Rader involved satisfying his fascination for puzzles and codes. Ramsland shared, "The first thing he wanted me to do was solve some codes... because he wanted to see if I'd play the game... I did because it was interesting... And then in the end, um, I ended up writing the code that we used for the book." Her willingness to engage in Rader's world allowed her to gain his trust and foster an understanding that eventually led to the creation of the book.
 
Ramsland's intensive exploration into the mind of one of the world's most infamous serial killers paints an illustrative picture of the complexities involved in understanding such individuals. This work has not only contributed significantly to the field of forensic psychology but also brought to light the mechanisms of how the minds of extreme offenders work. Her pursuit reflects a compelling blend of professional rigor, human empathy, and academic curiosity, underlining the importance of such investigations for broader societal understanding and law enforcement applications.
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