The Eikon Podcast Michael Burns

The Eikon team explores the idea that creation was never a completed project, but rather had room for growth and development. Michael, Jason, and Gianna discuss the concept of new creation in the Bible, particularly in the writings of Paul and Isaiah. They explore the idea that creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be. They also discuss how new creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.
Takeaways
- Creation was never a completed project but had room for growth and development.
- Being in the image of God means reflecting God's image as a community.
- Our identity as image bearers of God is our inherent worth and dignity.
- It can be challenging to respond gracefully in rude encounters, but it's important to consider the context and choose the best course of action.
- Creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be.
- New creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.
- The symbolic nature of passages describing the new creation should be understood, as they depict a reality that is too wonderful to fully comprehend.
- New creation often emerges in the midst of conflict and challenges, refining and shaping individuals and communities.
- The journey of new creation has no end and continually moves towards greater glory.
Chapters
00:00 - Names
06:42 - The Frustrations of Group Communication
13:26 - The Continuous Growth of Creation
36:07 - New Creation in the Present
43:06 - Symbolism and the Wonder of New Creation
53:47 - New Creation in the Midst of Conflict

Michael and Gianna analyze the important role of the theme of new creation in John's Gospel.

Thabani and Michael discuss the African view of demons and spirits. They explore the belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins, the rituals and practices associated with them, and the African Christian view of spirits and demons. They also discuss the syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity, where some African Christians still participate in ancestral rituals alongside their Christian faith. Overall, the conversation highlights the complex and diverse perspectives on the spiritual realm in Africa.
Takeaways
- In African culture, there is a belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins.
- Ancestral rituals and practices are still prevalent in some African Christian communities.
- There is a syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity in some African cultures.
- The African view of the spiritual realm is complex and diverse, with variations across different tribes and regions. Traditional African practices, such as seeking rain from ancestors, are still important to many Africans, but have been discarded by some Pentecostal and evangelical Christians.
- The clash between traditional African practices and Christianity can create conflicts within families and communities.
- Many African Christians believe that demons play a role in various aspects of life, such as illness, addiction, and failure, and seek spiritual solutions to these problems.
- There is a need for a balanced perspective that considers both traditional African beliefs and Western scientific explanations.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
05:12 - Thabani's Expertise in the Spiritual Realm
08:27 - The Early Church's View on Demons
17:31 - Demons in the New Testament
23:36 - African View of Demons and Spirits
36:20 - African Christian View of Demons
44:13 - The Role of Ancestors and Traditional Practices
51:16 - African Christian View of Spirits and Demons

In this episode, the hosts discuss the tension between individual humility and organizational pride in the church. They explore how the desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility. They also address the discontentment that some people feel towards the church and the challenge of learning to love the church as it is. The hosts discuss the influence of money and power in the church and express concerns about the commercialization of faith. They emphasize the importance of seeing the church as family and recognizing the larger network of believers.
Takeaways
- The power of the gospel is revealed in weakness and the paradox of death and victory.
- Churches should focus on reflecting Jesus and living in freedom rather than striving for worldly success. Think before you speak and consider the impact of your words.
- The desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility.
- It is important to learn to love the church as it is, recognizing its strengths and weaknesses.
- The influence of money and power in the church can compromise its integrity and mission.
- Recognize that the church is part of a larger network of believers and that God is always at work.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
16:15 - The Paradox of Jesus' Death and Victory
19:25 - The Tension Between Death and Life
21:27 - The Glory of the Cross
23:49 - The Power of the Gospel in Weakness
25:45 - The Temptation of Impressive Churches
36:43 - The Fear of Failure in Churches
38:12 - The Tension Between Victory and Weakness
42:45 - Living in Fear vs. Living in Freedom
44:11 - The Tension Between Individual Humility and Organizational Pride
48:43 - Learning to Love the Church as It Is
53:02 - The Influence of Money and Power in the Church
56:17 - The Concerns about the Commercialization of Faith
58:13 - The Importance of Seeing the Church as Family
01:01:46 - Recognizing the Larger Network of Believers
01:06:08 - Staying Rooted in the Work of God

The Eikon team explores the tension between influence and humility, particularly in the context of their fields of ministry and professional sports. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and struggles with seeking influence and maintaining humility. They also delve into the concept of incarnational teaching and the importance of local influence. The pressure to be out in front and the desire for recognition are identified as challenges to humility. Ultimately, they emphasize the need to prioritize the heart's desires and to be content with the influence that aligns with God's will.
Takeaways
- View the work itself as the reward and find joy in the process.
- Prioritize people over content and focus on individual touch and formation.
- Strive for fruit rather than outcomes and avoid the status culture.
- Be a resource rather than the main attraction and limit influence.
- Embrace brokenness and humility and recognize the tension between seeking influence and embracing humility.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage
06:38 - The Tension Between Influence and Humility
13:27 - Balancing Influence and Humility in Professional Sports
23:51 - Incarnational Teaching and Local Influence
27:11 - The Pressure to Be Out in Front
31:05 - The Challenge of Desiring Influence
32:11 - The Joy of the Work
33:12 - Viewing the Work as the Reward
35:19 - Limiting Influence
37:16 - Putting People Over Content
38:15 - Formation Over Efficiency
39:12 - Individual Touch Over Scope and Reach
40:10 - Being a Resource, Not the Meal
41:36 - Avoiding the Status Culture
42:29 - The Wisdom of Limiting Influence
44:24 - The Example of BJ Foster
45:49 - Balancing the Desire for Influence
49:11 - Recognizing Brokenness and Embracing Humility
50:10 - Triangulating Our Identity
53:11 - The Competition Between God's Influence and Society's Influence
55:28 - The Importance of Limiting Influence, Power, and Scope
01:03:2 - The Challenge of Balancing Influence and Representation
01:08:25 - The Tension Between Being Known and Being Forgotten

Michael and Gianna explore the connections between the Old Testament and the concept of new creation, highlighting the themes of restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth. They also discuss different versions of the gospel and emphasize the importance of understanding Jesus as king and living in his kingdom. The conversation concludes with the reminder that the gospel is not solely about personal benefits, but about fulfilling God's purpose and mission.
Takeaways
- The concept of new creation is a prevalent theme in the Bible, representing restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth.
- Understanding Jesus as king is crucial to fully grasp the gospel and live in his kingdom.
- Different versions of the gospel, such as the belief in heaven or freedom from rules, can be incomplete and me-centric.
- The gospel is ultimately about fulfilling God's purpose and mission, rather than solely personal benefits. The Bible is not about us, but about Jesus and his role in bringing about new creation.
- Being in Christ means being part of the team that brings about new creation.
- The genealogy of Jesus points to the fulfillment of the Old Testament and the coming of new creation.
- The themes of the kingdom, healings, and the commandments of Jesus are all part of the new creation.
- The renewal of all things is the ultimate goal of new creation.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and setting a world record
10:09 - Old and New Creation in Matthew
24:45 - Different Versions of the Gospel
30:43 - The Gospel as God's Purpose and Mission
34:23 - Being in Christ
36:19 - Jesus as the fulfillment of the Old Testament
38:15 - The genealogy of Jesus
40:34 - The theme of new creation in Matthew
49:11 - The theme of the kingdom in Matthew
50:05 - Healings as part of the new creation
55:06 - The commandments of Jesus as the restoration of God's original intentions
59:37 - The renewal of all things