30 episodes

Coffee table conversations with people thinking about foundational issues.  Multiverses explores the limits of knowledge and technology.  Does quantum mechanics tell us that our world is one of many?  Will AI make us intellectually lazy, or expand our cognitive range? Is time a thing in itself or a measure of change? Join James Robinson as he tries to find out.

MULTIVERSES James Robinson

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Coffee table conversations with people thinking about foundational issues.  Multiverses explores the limits of knowledge and technology.  Does quantum mechanics tell us that our world is one of many?  Will AI make us intellectually lazy, or expand our cognitive range? Is time a thing in itself or a measure of change? Join James Robinson as he tries to find out.

    30| Thinking Beyond Language — Anna Ivanova on what LLMs can learn from the brain

    30| Thinking Beyond Language — Anna Ivanova on what LLMs can learn from the brain

    It can be tempting to consider language and thought as inextricably linked. As such we might conclude that LLM's human-like capabilities for manipulating language indicate a corresponding level of thinking.   

    However, neuroscience research suggests that thought and language can be teased apart, perhaps the latter is more akin to an input-output interface, or an area of triage for problem-solving. Language is a medium into which we can translate and transport concepts.

     Our guest this week is Anna Ivanova, Assistant Professor of Psychology at Georgia Institute of Technology. She's conducted experiments that demonstrate how subjects with severe aphasia (large-scale damage to the language area of their brains) remain able to reason socially. She's also studied how the brains of developers work when reading code. Again the language network is largely bypassed.  

    Anna's work and other research in cognitive science suggest that the modularity of brains is central to their ability to handle diverse tasks. 

    Brains are not monolithic neural nets like LLMs but contain networked specialized regions.  

    * Anna's website: https://anna-ivanova.net/
    * Multiverses home: multiverses.xyz

    • 1 hr 39 min
    29 | What are words good for? — Nikhil Krishnan on Ordinary Language Philosophy

    29 | What are words good for? — Nikhil Krishnan on Ordinary Language Philosophy

    Words. (Huh? Yeah!) What are they good for? Absolutely everything.

    At least this was the view of some philosophers early in the 20th century, that the world was bounded by language. ("The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" to use Wittgenstein's formulation over the Edwin Starr adaptation)

    My guest this week is Nikhil Krishnan a philosopher at University of Cambridge and frequent contributor to the The New Yorker His book A Terribly Serious Adventure, traces the path of Ordinary Language Philosophy through the 20th century.

    We discuss the logical positivists (the word/world limiters) and their high optimism that the intractable problems of philosophy could be dissolved by analysis. Their contention that the great questions of metaphysics were nonsense since they had no empirical or logical content.

    That program failed, but its spirit of using data and aiming for progress lived on in the ordinary language philosophers who put practices with words under the microscope. Hoping to find in this data clues to the nuances of the world.

    This enterprise left us with beautiful examples of the subtleties of language. But more importantly, it is a practice that continues today, of paying close attention to our everyday behaviors and holding our grand systems of philosophy accountable to these.

    Listen to discover things you know, but didn't know you knew — like the difference between doing something by accident vs by mistake.

    Do check out Nikhil's own podcast,  Minor Books, on iTunes [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-minor-books-podcast/id1725818257]  or Acast [https://shows.acast.com/minor-books] 

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:49) Start of conversation: Philosophical background and history

    (04:47) The Evolution of Philosophy: From Ancient Texts to Modern Debates

    (16:46) The Impact of Logical Positivism and the Quest for Scientific Philosophy

    (38:35) J.L. Austin's Revolutionary Approach to Philosophy and Language

    (48:43) The Power of Everyday Language vs the Abstractions of Philosophy

    (49:11) Why is ordinary language so effective — Language Evolution?

    (52:30) Philosophical Perspectives on Language's Utility

    (53:28) The Intricacies of Language and Perception

    (54:48) Scientific and Philosophical Language: A Comparative Analysis

    (57:14) Legal Language and Its Precision

    (01:07:33) LLMS: The Future of Language in Technology and AI

    (01:10:33) Intentionality and the Philosophy of Actions

    (01:18:27) Bridging Analytic and Continental Philosophy

    (01:33:46) Final Thoughts on Philosophy and Its Practice)

    • 1 hr 37 min
    28| Music Evolution & Empirical Aesthetics — Manuel Anglada Tort

    28| Music Evolution & Empirical Aesthetics — Manuel Anglada Tort

    Music may be magical. But it is also rooted in the material world. As such it can be the subject of empirical inquiry. 

    How does what we are told of a performer influence our appreciation of the performance? Does sunshine change our listening habits? How do rhythms and melodies change as they are passed along, as in a game of Chinese whispers?

    Our guest is Manuel Anglada Tort, a lecturer at Goldsmiths, University of London. He has investigated all those topics. We discuss the fields of Empirical Aesthetics and cultural evolution experiments as applied to music. 

    * Manuel's website with PDFs and links to papers [https://www.manuelangladatort.com/]
    * Multiverses.xyz [https://%20multiverses.xyz/]



    Chapters

    (00:00) Intro

    (03:35) Start of conversation: Music Psychology and Empirical Aesthetics

    (07:54) Genomics and Musical Ability

    (18:25) Weather's Influence on Music Preferences

    (31:57) The Repeated Recording Illusion

    (43:24) Empirical Aesthetics: Does Analysis Boost or Deflate Wonder?

    (49:59) Music Evolution and Cultural Systems

    (52:18) Simulating Music Evolution in the Lab

    (1:01:27) The Role of Memory and Cognitive Biases in Music

    (1:05:33) Comparing Language and Music Evolution

    (1:20:37) The Impact of Physical and Cognitive Constraints on Music

    (1:31:37) Audio Appendix

    • 1 hr 36 min
    27| Why Knowledge is Not Enough — Jessie Munton

    27| Why Knowledge is Not Enough — Jessie Munton

    If all my beliefs are correct, could I still be prejudiced?

    Philosophers have spent a lot of time thinking about knowledge. But their efforts have focussed on only certain questions. What makes it such that a person knows something? What styles of inquiry deliver knowledge?

    Jessie Munton is a philosopher at the University of Cambridge. She is one of several people broadening the scope of epistemology to ask: what sort of things do we (and should we) inquire about and how should we arrange our beliefs once we have them?

    Her lens on this is in terms of salience structures. These describe the features and beliefs that an individual is likely to pay attention to in a situation. They are networks that depend on the physical, social, and mental worlds. 

    In a supermarket aisle, what is salient to me depends both on how products are arranged and my food preferences. Very central nodes in my salience structure (for example this podcast) might be awkwardly linked to many things (multigrain rice ... multiverses).

    This is a rare and wonderful thing. Philosophy that is at once interesting and useful.

    Links

    * Jessie's home page: https://jessiemunton.wixsite.com/philosophy
    * Jessie on X: https://twitter.com/alabalawhiskey
    *  Multiverses home: https://multiverses.xyz

    Chapters

    (04:20) Welcome and Introduction to the Discussion

    (04:53) Exploring the Essence of Epistemology

    (06:31) Expanding the Boundaries of Traditional Epistemology

    (10:50) Understanding vs. Knowledge: Diving Deeper into Epistemology

    (12:42) The Role of Evidence and Justification in Beliefs

    (23:59) Salience Structures: A New Perspective on Information Processing

    (34:22) Applying Network Science to Understand Salience Structures

    (43:41) Exploring Social Salience Structures and the Impact of Cities

    (48:15) Exploring the Complexity of Attention and Salience

    (48:30) The Challenge of Modeling Attention Mathematically

    (48:57) Linking Attention to Real-world Outcomes

    (50:01) Differentiating Causes of Attention and Their Impacts

    (50:53) The Role of Individual and Social Responsibility in Shaping Attention

    (52:19) Influence of Media and Technology on Salience Structures

    (55:44) The Potential of Augmented Reality and Large Language Models

    (00:47) The Personalization Dilemma of Search Engines and Social Media

    (01:05:38) Exploring the Ethical and Practical Implications of Information Access

    (01:22:53) Concluding Thoughts on Salience and Information Consumption

    • 1 hr 24 min
    26| Networks, Heartbeats & the Pace of Cities — Geoffrey West

    26| Networks, Heartbeats & the Pace of Cities — Geoffrey West

    Why do whales live longer than hummingbirds? What makes megacities more energy efficient than towns? Is the rate of technological innovation sustainable? 

     Though apparently disparate the answer to these questions can be found in the work of theoretical physicist Geoffrey West. Geoffrey is Shannan Distinguished Professor at the Santa Fe Institute where he was formerly the president.  

     By looking at the network structure of organisms, cities, and companies Geoffrey was able to explain mathematically the peculiar ways in which many features scale. For example, the California Sea Lion weighs twice as much as an Emperor Penguin, but it only consumes 75% more energy. This sub-linear scaling is incredibly regular, following the same pattern across many species and an epic range of sizes. This is an example of a scaling law.

      The heart of the explanation is this: optimal space-filling networks are fractal-like in nature and scale as if they acquire an extra dimension. A 3D fractal network scales as if it is 4D. 

    *   Geoffrey's web page [https://www.santafe.edu/people/profile/geoffrey-west] 
    *  Geoffrey's book: Scale [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scale-Universal-Organisms-Cities-Companies/dp/1780225598]

    Chapters

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:56) Start of conversation: Geoffrey's Career Journey

    (03:25) Transition from High Energy Physics to Biology

    (09:05) Exploring the Origin of Aging and Death

    (11:20) Discovering Scaling Laws in Biology

    (12:30) Understanding the Metabolic Rate and its Scaling

    (25:40) The Impact of the Molecular Revolution on Biology

    (28:39) The Role of Networks in Biological Systems

    (49:07) The Connection between Fractals and Biological Systems

    (01:00:29) Understanding the Growth and Supply of Cells

    (01:01:07) The Impact of Size on Energy Consumption

    (01:01:46) The Role of Networks in Growth and Supply

    (01:02:30) The Universality of Growth in Organisms

    (01:03:13) Exploring the Dynamics of Cities

    (01:06:12) The Scaling of Infrastructure and Socioeconomic Factors in Cities

    (01:07:36) The Implications of Superlinear Scaling in Cities

    (01:11:50) The Future of Cities and the Need for Innovation

    • 1 hr 54 min
    25| Peter Nixey — AI: Disruption Ahead

    25| Peter Nixey — AI: Disruption Ahead

    It's easy to recognize the potential of incremental advances — more efficient cars or faster computer chips for instance. But when a genuinely new technology emerges, often even its creators are unaware of how it will reshape our lives. So it is with AI, and this is where I start my discussion with Peter Nixey.

    Peter is a serial entrepreneur, angel investor, developer, and startup advisor. He reasons that large language models are poised to bring enormous benefits, particularly in enabling far faster & cheaper development of software. But he also argues that their success in this field will undermine online communities of knowledge sharing — sites like StackOverflow — as users turn away from them and to LLMs. Effectively ChatGPT will kick away one of the ladders on which its power is built.

    This migration away from common forums to sealed and proprietary AI models could mark a paradigm shift in the patterns of knowledge sharing that extends far beyond the domain of programming.

    We also talk about the far future and whether conflict with AI can be avoided.

    * Follow Peter on Linkedin [https://www.linkedin.com/in/peternixey/] or X @peternixey [https://twitter.com/peternixey]
    * Intentional.io [https://intentional.io/] — service for meaningful time management Peter is building
    * Show home: multiverses.xyz [https://multiverses.xyz]


    Chapters

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:44) Start of Conversation

    (03:20) The Lag Period in Technology Adoption

    (06:48) The Impact of the Internet on Productivity

    (11:30) The Curious UX of AI

    (19:25) The Future of AI in Coding

    (29:06) The Implications of AI on Information Sharing

    (41:27) AI and Socratic learning

    (46:57) The Evolution of Textbooks and Learning Materials

    (49:01) The Future of AI in Software Development

    (51:11) The Existential Questions Surrounding AI

    (01:05:16) Evolutionary Success as a lens on AI

    (01:13:29) The Potential Conflict Between Humans and AI

    (01:14:24) An (almost) Optimistic Outlook on AI and Humanity

    • 1 hr 17 min

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