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“#1 music industry podcast to help keep you in the loop” -Spotify
“The 10 Best Music Business Podcasts of 2022" – Variety
Ari Herstand is the best-selling author of How To Make It in the New Music Business. Forbes calls him “The poster child of DIY music.” In this show, he deconstructs the brightest minds in the music industry, digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and strategies that listeners can use to run successful careers of their own. Ari offers straight talk with no fluff and doesn’t let his guests off easy. If there is a way, Ari will find it.
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SLANDER, Deorro, NGHTMRE Manager on Selling 400K Tix In a Year, Building Electronic Artists & DJs
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Beginning his tenth year in the music industry today, Will Runzel is co-founder of Prodigy Artists. He got his start throwing Hip-Hop concerts (Big Sean, Jeremih, Mike Posner, Twista) in college towns in the midwest, Steve Aoki brought him to LA to head up Dim Mak Live for a year before heading up React Presents West Coast division and another year with LED Presents / Goldenvoice (booking Jamie XX, M83, Calvin Harris). Around that time he started what is now known as Collectiv Presents with Chris Den Uijl, as well as his management company Prodigy Artists alongside Steven Haddad. Today, Runzel is the CEO of Prodigy Artists who represent SLANDER, Deorro, NGHTMRE, Guy Gerber, Audien as well as Grammy-nominated producers Bekon & The Donuts.
This week, Ari and Will discuss various aspects of the dance music industry, including revenue streams, remixes, and the role of managers. He emphasizes the importance of touring for bass music artists and the unique nature of their merchandise sales. Will also explains the business model of remixes and additionally highlights the need for data collection and retargeting in the new music business.
Chapters
00:00 Remixes and Original Music
10:12 SLANDER, NGHTMRE, and Deorro
29:07 Revenue and Profitability of Shows
36:16 Revenue Breakdown for Bass Music Artists
41:53 Reselling Records
50:21 Managing Record Producers
57:43 The Challenges of Playing at the Sphere
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We Can Learn A Lot From the Dance Music Industry
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Moody Jones is an entrepreneurial entertainment executive and artist who thrives on creating new rules and executing unique concepts. Currently, he’s the GM of Dance at EMPIRE – an independent distribution company and record label pioneering the future generation of the music business.
This week, Ari is joined by GM of Dance at EMPIRE, Moody Jones, to discuss Empire's business model, the dance music industry, and the role of an executive in supporting artists. They discuss various aspects of the music industry, including consumer behavior on social media, the impact of UMG on artists, advice for aspiring producers and DJs, the importance of art in everything you do, discovering and signing new artists, release frequency, and what it means to make it in the new music business.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview of Empire
05:09 The Dance Division and the Dance Market
15:02 Measuring Success and Revenue Streams
23:02 Consumer Behavior on Social Media
26:00 Advice for Aspiring Producers and DJs
30:23 Building Relationships with Artists
37:38 Release Frequency and Removing Songs from DSPs
44:30 What It Means to Make It in the New Music Business
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Artist Manager on Release Strategy, Record Deals and the TikTok Ban
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A Los Angeles native and UCLA alumni, Michele Harrison commenced her career as a legal assistant at the Law Offices of Fischbach, Perlstein and Lieberman. Following gigs at Virgin Records and Hollywood Records, she spent 15 years at Ian Montone’s Monotone, Inc., working with the likes of Broken Bells, The Shins, Vampire Weekend, and Academy® Award winner Jamie Foxx. In 2018, she became Co-Head of Management at Friends At Work, managing Alanis Morissette and Raphael Saadiq. 2021 saw her join Range Music as a Partner, overseeing the careers of Healy, KaiGoinKrazy, Tkay Maidza, Justin Tranter, and UMI. With MPH Collective, she has now built a haven for artists, visionaries, and storytellers to shine without compromise.
In this interview, Ari and Michele discuss the role of autonomy and control in management, the impact of TikTok on artists' careers, and the changing landscape of record deals. She shares insights into the profitability of different venue sizes and the revenue streams from touring, including VIP experiences and merchandise sales. Michele also discusses the role of producers and the process of creating beat packs to pitch to artists and songwriters. She highlights the importance of getting in the room with other producers and songwriters to create music.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background of MPH Collective
03:06 The Impact of TikTok and Challenges in the Music Industry
06:53 The Shifting Landscape of Record Deals
11:52 The Importance of Authenticity in Social Media
30:26 Building a Collaborative Team
35:15 The Importance of Booking Agents and Touring
41:09 Profitability and Revenue Streams
46:09 The Role of Producers
57:01 The Goal in the New Music Business
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How Spotify's Algorithm Works (From Its Creator)
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Glenn McDonald was Spotify’s data alchemist and the creator of the music exploration site Every Noise at Once. He writes things for people about how humanity and technology co-exist, and things for computers about how to cope with not being human. He wrote a weekly music review column called The War Against Silence for ten years, tabulated the Village Voice’s Pazz & Jop music critics’ poll for several years, and was part of the music-intelligence start-up The Echo Nest, which was eventually acquired by Spotify.
He believes that music is the thing humans do best, and that bringing all the world’s music together online is one of the greatest cultural achievements of his lifetime. His book explaining why is being published by Canbury Press in 2024.
This week, Ari and Glenn McDonald discuss his role as a data alchemist and his work on the Every Noise at Once genre map. McDonald shares insights into the creation and maintenance of the Every Noise genre map, which categorizes over 6,000 genres and subgenres. He also discusses the evolution of Spotify playlists, from editorial to personalized, and the impact of algorithmic programming. They explore the impact of algorithmic recommendations on artists and fans, as well as the challenges of detecting fraud and bot attacks.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
08:30 Creating the Every Noise Genre Map
19:54 Personalized Playlists and Algorithmic Programming
32:25 Fans Also Like and its Evolution
37:06 The Challenges of Algorithmic Recommendations
41:30 The Limitations of Detecting Fraud
47:56 The Mystery of Sudden Streaming Spikes
01:00:19 Glenn McDonald's Book and Future Plans
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All His Music Got Removed From Spotify for "Fraudulent Streaming Activity" Which He Didn't Do
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This week, Ari is joined by Benn Jordan, musician, youtuber and entrepreneur, to discuss the many challenges of the modern streaming focused music industry. They discuss the recent issue around artists getting their music removed from streaming services due to fraudulent streaming activity and the impact on artists’ careers. The conversation also touches on the recent zero tolerance policy of distributors. The conversation covers topics such as the financial challenges of being an independent musician, the future of sustaining a music career, the ethics of AI in music, creating ethical AI models, and the role of artists in shaping the future of music and AI.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
05:35 Challenges of Streaming Platforms
11:10 The Problem with Subsidized Streaming
15:26 The Success Story of Independent Artists
22:43 Introduction to VoiceSwap
36:21 The financial challenges of being an independent musician
44:02 The future of sustaining a music career
49:43 The ethics of AI in music
01:00:02 The role of artists in shaping the future of music and AI
01:01:52 Defining success in the new music business
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Mixing SZA, Engineering Bob Dylan, Collaborating with Rick Rubin
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Dana Nielsen is a Grammy-nominated mixer, engineer, producer, and multi-instrumentalist known for his work with SZA, Rihanna, Adele, Post Malone, The Smashing Pumpkins, Neil Young, Justin Timberlake, Weezer, The Avett Brothers, Bob Dylan, and Kanye West. A frequent collaborator with legendary producer, Rick Rubin, Nielsen has amassed credits that run the stylistic gamut from Neil Diamond to Slayer and just about everything in between.
In this episode, Ari and ATA student Dana Nielsen, a Grammy-nominated mixing and engineering master, discuss his home studio setup, career, and superstar collaborations. He shares insights into his career journey, from starting out in Chicago to working with legendary artists and producers like Rick Rubin, Bob Dylan, and SZA. Dana emphasizes the importance of networking and seizing opportunities to advance in the music industry, highlighting the freelance nature of the entertainment industry and the importance of developing relationships in a transactional environment. Finally, Dana provides insights into the business side of engineering in the music industry, discussing the various roles and rates in the recording studio.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Gear Setup
14:38 Early Career and Networking
27:26 Putting Yourself Out There
29:32 Meeting Rick Rubin
32:12 Learning from John Hanlon
33:11 Working with Rick Rubin
40:26 Working on Neil Diamond's Album
45:14 Understanding the Role of a Second Engineer
50:44 The Business of Engineering in the Music Industry
01:09:26 Making It in the New Music Business
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