Gisèle Pelicot and opposing objectification with Katrin Bennhold & Elisa Braun

Gisèle Pelicot’s memoir has just been published, and the Jeffrey Epstein files continue to become public. While the admirable Ms Pelicot has become a modern heroine, the two stories have forced a strong focus upon a core common reality: women remain the ultimate objects, to be subjugated by men.

Ms Pelicot, the survivor of multiple rapes while rendered unconscious by her husband, recovered her own agency by refusing to remain anonymous, and by demanding that shame shift to the other side, to the perpetrators, to the men who raped her. The survivors of the Epstein abuse have not been so lucky: attention has been largely upon the powerful and famous men involved in this long running story of rape and abuse of minors, of young underage women.

Many women, and men, feel deep outrage about both these appalling events, but it isn’t always easy to talk about them. However, Katrin Bennhold of the New York Times and Elisa Braun of Euractiv, both senior investigative reporters and experienced journalists, explain so much about how these stories are reported, and express measures of disgust that enhance our own deep-felt emotions in the face of these criminal misogynistic abuses.

A fascinating, flowing and necessary discussion.

This episode was recorded on 19 February 2026

Chapters

• Contrasting stories: Pelicot vs. Epstein
• Civil courage and accountability
• When Justice is denied
• Investigative journalism: trust and trauma
• Conspiracy theories and institutional trust

Mentions

• The World newsletter - The New York Times
• The Rapporteur newsletter - Euractiv
• Gisèle Pelicot’s book
• Congressional hearing on Epstein files
• Grooming girls in Rotherham by Katrin Bennhold
• Epstein files 101 with Matt Goldstein
• Marina Hyde on the Epstein files

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• Elisa Braun LinkedIn
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Credits

• Production: Florence Ferrando
• Music: Let Good Times Roll, RA from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-rollLicense code: ZXIIIJUU2ISPZIJT

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