KOL289 | Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 2: A Sober Conversation‪…‬ Kinsella On Liberty

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 289.



[Update: Transcript appended below]



This is my appearance on the Scottish Liberty Podcast from May 30, 2020, with hosts Antony Sammeroff and Tom Laird. We discussed IP and related matters, including Sammeroff's recent debate on the topic of IP with pro-IP Randian law professor Adam Mossoff. See various links, embeds, notes below. This was the second take, and entitled "A Sober Conversation with Stephan Kinsella...," because we had previously recorded a discussion on May 24, 2020, in which I was a bit drunk and went off on a rant. The episode was entitled "Under the Influence... of Stephan Kinsella... Against Intellectual Property". We then recorded this current episode on May 30, 2020.



[Update: I recently (March 2021) realized I never posted the initial episode, so have just posted it as KOL326 | Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 1: Under the Influence…]



See various links, embeds, notes below.



Youtube of the current discussion:





Youtube of the initial discussion, now posted at KOL326:





Antony's previous debate with Mossoff:







In his remarks, Mossoff mentioned this paper by Stephen Haber as supporting the empirical case for patents (funny, I thought the Objectivists had principles): Stephen Haber, "Patents and the Wealth of Nations," 23 Geo. Mason L.Rev. 811 (2016). I have read through it as much as I can stand and provide my critical commentary here:  “The Overwhelming Empirical Case Against Patent and Copyright”--see in particular note 3 and accompanying text.

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Transcript

Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 2: A Sober Conversation With Stephan Kinsella (May 30, 2020)

[Transcript of "Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 2: A Sober Conversation (May 30, 2020)]

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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Greetings people of planet Earth.  It must be episode 156 of the Scottish Liberty Podcast with me, Antony Sammeroff, and that ranty, ranty man, Tom Laird, back with us again.



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TOM LAIRD: Thank you.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Sorry.



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TOM LAIRD: I’m free.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: He’s free.  The excellent, the extraordinary Stephan Kinsella.  Don’t mispronounce it Stephen.  Don’t be that guy.  Don’t be that guy.  Only an idiot would do that.  Thank you for joining us.



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STEPHAN KINSELLA: Glad to be here with all four of us.  You said there was you, Antony Sammeroff, Tom, and me, so that’s four.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Excellent.



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STEPHAN KINSELLA: I only see three people though.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: So we’re going to talk about – you only – for those tuning in on Facebook and YouTube see that I kind of look weird because I’m trying this digital background.  But Zoom thinks that my face is part of the background, so I look…



00:00:57



STEPHAN KINSELLA: I think you’re triggering a lot of light-epilepsy people right now.



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TOM LAIRD: I think it’s because your head looks like a planetoid.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: I am the moon, the orbits, the Earth.



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STEPHAN KINSELLA: He looks like a Marvel character like Ego the Living Planet or something.



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ANTONY SAMMEROFF: So I guess we’re going to talk about IP and stuff like that.



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TOM LAIRD: Whoa.



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