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Welcome to the Overcoming MS | Living Well with MS podcast. Our family of podcasts includes our flagship, Living Well with MS, where In each episode, your host Geoff Allix will explore a different aspect of the OMS Program in greater depth. Other programs in our podcast family include Coffee Break featuring interviews with members of our diverse global community, and Ask Jack, featuring professional chef Jack McNulty answers food- and cooking-related questions. New episodes will be published approximately once every 10 days, and will feature interviews with scientists, fitness specialists, diet experts, stress reduction professionals and OMSers themselves. The podcast will also feature inspirational, real-life stories from people with multiple sclerosis about the daily challenges and small victories of successful lifestyle modification.

Living Well with Multiple Sclerosis Overcoming MS

    • Health & Fitness
    • 4.9 • 52 Ratings

Welcome to the Overcoming MS | Living Well with MS podcast. Our family of podcasts includes our flagship, Living Well with MS, where In each episode, your host Geoff Allix will explore a different aspect of the OMS Program in greater depth. Other programs in our podcast family include Coffee Break featuring interviews with members of our diverse global community, and Ask Jack, featuring professional chef Jack McNulty answers food- and cooking-related questions. New episodes will be published approximately once every 10 days, and will feature interviews with scientists, fitness specialists, diet experts, stress reduction professionals and OMSers themselves. The podcast will also feature inspirational, real-life stories from people with multiple sclerosis about the daily challenges and small victories of successful lifestyle modification.

    MS Advocacy and Accessible Fashion with Roxy Murray

    MS Advocacy and Accessible Fashion with Roxy Murray

    Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, Geoff meets MS and disability activist, Roxy Murray. 
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and bio. You can also watch this episode on our YouTube channel here.
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.
    Roxy Murray’s bio: If you're keen on driving inclusivity, Roxy's story will be of interest to you.
    Roxy Murray (@multiplesclerosisfashionista) is a London (UK) based MS and disability, sex and body positivity and Queer activist. She is also a podcaster, voiceover artist, fashion stylist and the designer of sick and sickening (@sickandsickening) clothing, a brand created to celebrate disabled and invisible illness warriors.
    She focuses her attention on creating better representation, consideration and inclusion within the MS narrative for people of colour and the LGBTQIA Community.
    Roxy’s Social Media Through her social media, Roxy combines her love of fashion and art to empower others on their journey, whilst they navigate through life with a disability or invisible illness. She creates videos and Instagram content that celebrates and brings visibility to the beauty of the community with her hashtag #WeAreNotInvisible.
    She also focuses her attention on helping others take steps to release grief and openly talk about her own mental health battles.
    Roxy’s podcast She highlights real unfiltered stories and talks about taboo subjects like disabled joy, sexual empowerment and much more on her podcast (@sickandsickening_podcast).
    Selected Key Takeaways Accessible fashion is adaptable, so that it suits every body, every shape, and every person’s needs
    Sometimes that might be an adaptable sleeve, it might be magnetic fastening. Jewellery is a big one for me, I find it really hard to clip in the little clips around the neck. You can get ones [fastenings] that are just magnetic so it's easier to pull on and push off for someone that wants to be chic and fashionable and look good, but they want to be able to dress themselves.
    Then Barbara Met Allen is a new TV show chronicling the UK’s disability rights movement
    It's more inclusive it's more accessible and people that are disabled are being allowed to tell [their] own stories, which is really special. So, you have a story of when Barbara met Allen and together, after the disability rights generation movement in America, it came over here. They were looking for their own accessibility revolution.
    There’s no need to desexualize disabled bodies
    I'm a 34-year-old, unapologetic Aries. I'm going to stand up, be proud and look fabulous. I've literally walked a runway show with a mobility aid, and was like, “I'm going to wear underwear and be fabulous and show people we can be disabled and be sexual and be good and curious and gorgeous”.
    Related Links: Connect with Roxy on Instagram Roxy's podcast: Sick and Sickening on Apple Podcasts Myelin & Melanin podcast: myelinandmelanin.com Alinker walking bike: www.thealinker.com/ Unhidden Clothing: unhiddenclothing.com/ Watch 'Then Barbara Met Allen' on Netflix: www.netflix.com/gb/title/81406123 The ADAMS study: app.mantal.co.uk/adams Listen to our podcast with Mitzi Joi Willams: S4 Episode 50 Find out more about Dominic Shadbolt’s The MS Guide: dominicshadbolt.com/ Watch Sex Education on Netflix: www.netflix.com/gb/title/80197526 Hot Octopus adaptable sex toys: www.hotoctopuss.com/uk/en/ Listen to our podcast with Aaron Boster on MS and Sex: S3 Episode 43 Follow Dave Walsh: www.instagram.com/sitting_bull_uk Follow Yazzie: www.instagram.com/yazzietalks/ MS Together www.mstogether.org/ Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You

    • 37 min
    In conversation with Associate Professor Michelle O’Donoghue

    In conversation with Associate Professor Michelle O’Donoghue

    Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are pleased to welcome Dr Michelle O’Donoghue, OMSer (someone following the Overcoming MS Program) and co-editor of the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook, as our guest. 
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Michelle’s bio.  
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. 
    Michelle’s bio: 
    Career 
    Dr Michelle O’Donoghue is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and a practicing physician in the Cardiovascular Division at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. She is the inaugural recipient of the McGillycuddy-Logue Distinguished Chair in Cardiology.  
    Dr O’Donoghue earned her medical degree at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York City. She subsequently completed a Master’s in public health degree at the Harvard School of Public Health.  
    MS diagnosis and Overcoming MS 
    Dr O’Donoghue was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2010 and adopted the Overcoming MS Program (diet and lifestyle changes) shortly thereafter. She has lived free from clinical relapses since that time. 
    In 2022, Dr O’Donoghue, Professor George Jelinek and Associate Professor Sandra Neate published the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook that they co-edited together which provides an accessible overview of the Overcoming MS Program created by Professor Jelinek, including empowering community stories.  
    Selected Key Takeaways 
    Overcoming MS offers hope and a way to change the trajectory of MS  
    “I think that when people first get a diagnosis [of MS], they envision that it is a course towards progressive deterioration, and progressive symptoms, and then that course can't be modified. And so, for me, it was so exciting, and it gave me so much hope, to feel like there was some ability that I might have to change that trajectory and that's a big part of why I adopted the Overcoming MS plan.” 
    It can take time to come to terms with an MS diagnosis and it may take time to fully embrace the Overcoming MS program  
    “I came across Professor Jelinek's book about Overcoming MS and the first time that I read the book, it didn't initially resonate with me as much as it did when I picked it up several months later. When I look back, I think to myself, ‘why was it that I didn't initially embrace his suggestions?’ I think that there are many reasons for that. One of which was, I was still just in an initial denial in general about my diagnosis and I was going through the different phases of grief really to cope with that, and my initial reaction was denial.” 
    Following the Overcoming MS Program will improve your overall health  
    “Professor Jelinek appropriately emphasizes that all elements of the program are equally important. I try to remind myself of that on a regular basis. At the end of the day, I think that [for] anyone who's considering the Overcoming MS program, I would encourage them to recognise that it's a win-win. Following a predominantly whole food plant-based diet, adopting stress management strategies, and making sure that you deal with any mental struggles that you may have, face those demons. I think it leads you to a better place overall.” 
    Related Links:  
    Read the Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health: https://overcomingms.org/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-handbook-roadmap-good-health Read the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis book: https://overcomingms.org/resources/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-book Find out more about Roy Swank’s research on a low saturated fat diet for people with MS https://overcomingms.org/latest/swanks-paper-looking-ef

    • 33 min
    Webinar highlights from The Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health | S5E2

    Webinar highlights from The Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health | S5E2

    Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are taking you back to the launch of the ‘Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health’ with Professor George Jelinek, Dr Jonathan White and Dr Phil Startin. Together they discussed how the new book was created, the highlights from the book and answered questions from the community. We were excited by the arrival of the new book, as it provides an engaging overview of the Overcoming MS Program combined with stories from the community.
    This webinar was recorded in February 2022 as part of our Finding Hope with Overcoming MS webinar series. You can watch the whole webinar here or the podcast highlights on YouTube here.
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and George, Jonathan and Phil’s bios.
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with multiple sclerosis. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.
    Professor George Jelinek’s Bio Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits.
    George’s Story:
    When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through and assess the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this.
    It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is the real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming MS Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. The new book in this podcast episode is a newly launched accessible overview of his findings.
    George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the Overcoming MS Program.
    Dr. Jonathan White’s Bio Career:
    Jonathan went to University of Glasgow Medical School, graduating in 2008 (MBChB). He completed a further five years of training in Obstetrics and Gynecology and is a member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (MRCOG). He works at the Causeway Hospital, Coleraine and has a special interest in early pregnancy and recurrent pregnancy loss.
    In April 2022, Jonathan was awarded “Doctor of the Year” at the inaugural Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Awards. He contributed to the new book in this podcast episode.
    Overcoming MS and personal life:
    Jonathan was diagnosed with RRMS in October 2015 and has been following the Overcoming MS Program ever since.  Dr. White assists Overcoming MS as a medical advisor and event facilitator.
    He lives on the North Coast of Northern Ireland, is married to Jenny and father to Angus and Struan. His interests include the great outdoors, cycling and running (reluctantly), reading, rugby, film and spending time with his family.
    Dr Phil Startin’s Bio Career and Overcoming MS:
    After a DPhil in Quantum Physics, Phil left his academic roots for a more peripatetic career in management consulting, initially with Price Waterhouse. After years of travelling around the world for both work and pleasure, including a two-year assignment in Geneva, he was diagnosed with Primary Progressive MS (PPMS) in 2007.
    Phil discovered Overcoming MS in 2011, and coupled with his earlier discovery of mindfulness meditation, it awakened a whole new area in his life. With training an

    • 54 min
    Functional Medicine with Magic Barclay

    Functional Medicine with Magic Barclay

    Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, where we are pleased to welcome holistic health practitioner and expert Magic Barclay as our guest! 
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Magic's bio.
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.
    Bio: Magic Barclay is the lead practitioner and founder of ‘Wholistic Natural Health Australia’, a holistic health practice. She also is a host of the podcast “A Magical Life: Health, Wealth and Weight Loss”.
    Magic’s life changed when she faced multiple life-threatening conditions and at the same time, found herself divorced and raising her two children alone. She decided to find the root cause of her health issues and that set her on a path of life-changing learning that affected her whole family.
    Magic is a Master Practitioner in immune health, mould toxicity recovery and Psycho-Neuro-Endocrine-Immunology (the study of the interaction between psychological processes and the nervous and immune systems of the human body) of trauma.
    She tells us that she is a “mum of two amazing humans and two gorgeous furbabies, a grower of organic food for her family and a passionate native gardener”.
    Magic’s mission is to help people heal naturally, reconnect to the environment and reach their own potential. She mainly works with women aged 45-65 who feel unheard or misled by mainstream medicine and anyone who wants to bring their health back to basics.
    Selected Key Takeaways: The purpose of functional medicine
    Functional medicine involves looking at the systems of the body. It looks at what each system does and how it works with the other systems. We often say, "no system works alone." We particularly look at the root cause because if you don't look at that, then other issues keep arising.
    Belief in yourself is a powerful part of healing
    If people don't believe in themselves, they're not going to get well. We see a lot of people just given diagnosis after diagnosis, label after label, and they start believing that's who they are. Magic believes that this is a really awful way to live because you're a person, you are not the label that was given to you by your doctor. You are still a person. So, what they do in functional medicine is uncover: Who is that person? And who do [they] want to be?
    Reduce stress by acknowledging the stressor isn’t forever
    If you find yourself around people that increase your stress, don't be around them or decide to be around them for five or 10 minutes. Give yourself a time cap and tell yourself after 10 minutes “I'm out of this situation and I'll be okay”. If you find you are stressed by work, a doctor's appointment or driving, either take yourself out of the situation, find an alternative, or give yourself a time limit so that you know internally it's not forever. And don't sit there thinking, “I'm so stressed,” as your body hears that and guess what? It replies, "Really? This is a low level of stress, you want to be stressed? I'll raise the bar."
    Related Links: Magic’s Wholistic Natural Health Find out more about PNEI and Dr. Gabor Maté https://drgabormate.com/ Make natural laundry detergent from horse chestnuts/ conkers/ buckeyes https://wastelandrebel.com/make-laundry-detergent-out-of-chestnuts/ Parkinson’s protein from gut to brain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/tracking-spread-parkinsons-proteins-gut-brain The Blood Brain Barrier in MS https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8395058/ Th1 and Th17 response in MS https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5491887/ Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review

    • 31 min
    Building Resilience with Dr Rachael Hunter

    Building Resilience with Dr Rachael Hunter

     
    Welcome to Living Well with MS. In this episode, Geoff catches up with Overcoming MS
    facilitator, Dr Rachael Hunter, a clinical psychologist and senior lecturer in clinical and health psychology at Swansea University. Rachael talks to Geoff about the meaning of resilience and looking after your psychological health.
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Rachael’s bio.
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.
    Rachael’s bio:
    Dr Rachael Hunter is a clinical academic who works as a Clinical Psychologist in the NHS, and as a Senior Lecturer in Clinical and Health Psychology at Swansea University. She is an active researcher and has been involved with a number of projects relating to MS as well as other physical and mental health conditions.  
    Rachael has been following the Overcoming MS program since she was diagnosed with MS in 2012. She remains relapse free with recent MRI scans confirming ‘no evidence of disease activity.'
    Rachael says that she feels very lucky to have found Overcoming MS during diagnosis and to have such a supportive family who share her positive outlook. Since finding Overcoming MS, Rachael has felt compelled to raise awareness of the Overcoming MS Program and lifestyle approaches to living well, through her work.
    Rachael is a mum of two, slightly obsessed with the beach, and describes herself as a ‘realistic optimist.’ 
    Selected Key Takeaways Our mental and physical health are linked

    “As a psychologist, my whole framework of clinical work is based on the idea that our physical health and our psychological health are intertwined. They absolutely affect each other. I knew that if I was struggling with my mental health, that was going to affect my physical health.”
    The definition of resiliency
    “Resiliency is the ability to accept one's experiences without avoidance. That you can continue to try and live your life and pursue your goals, despite that adversity. So what does that really mean? Well, it's basically talking about a capacity to respond positively to adverse situations.”
    Self-care is different for each person
    “Self-care is integral to what we need to be practicing all the time. I think making it a part of any framework is really important. I have quite a broad definition of self-care and that's going to be very individual for each person. I always encourage people to really think broadly about what self-care could be.”
    Related Links: Read Rachael’s Chapter in the Overcoming MS Handbook here  Buy a copy of the Overcoming MS Handbook, launched at the end of 2021 Watch Rachael’s talk ‘Promoting Resilience’ here Read the 2022 Global Resilience report here PTSD stats: https://www.ptsduk.org/ptsd-stats/ Follow Rachael on social media:
    IG @racch_hh Twitter @drrachhunter FB https://www.facebook.com/rachael.hunter.908 Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by podcast@overcomingms.org.
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS.
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    • 41 min
    Disrupt Move and Transform – in Conversation with Kathy Chester

    Disrupt Move and Transform – in Conversation with Kathy Chester

    Welcome to Living Well with MS. In this episode, Geoff meets with Kathy Chester, a certified fitness trainer and podcaster with MS.  
    Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Kathy’s bio. 
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. 
    Bio: 
    Kathy Chester hosts the Move it or Lose it Podcast and leads Women Who Disrupt MS, a support group facilitated through the Multiple Sclerosis Foundation (MSF). She is the owner and lead trainer of Disrupt Fitness Gym. 
    Fitness has always played a big role in her life. She became an aerobics and boot camp coach and went on to manage various studios. In 2015, she established Disrupt Fitness Gym: a program combining circuit and interval training to create the most efficient workout. 
    Kathy was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis more than 20 years ago. Her MS symptoms began with numb hands and feet, migraines, and cognitive issues. The DMT’s and MS treatments she has tried include Avonex, steroids, chemotherapy, Tysabri, and now, Ocrevus. Taking these medications further confirmed her belief that movement and exercise is crucial for optimal health, strength, and mobility. 
    Her expertise has allowed her to train people with MS all over the world. She developed a new program called DMAT (Disrupt Move and Transform). DMAT targets joints and muscles to slow down advancement of the disease. The program is based on a one-on-one or group session. Both standing and seated moves are demonstrated and trained in real-time. The results are increased strength and confidence in everyday movements which leads to more independence, and therefore, a better quality of life. 
    Selected Key Takeaways 
    Understanding exercise to improve MS symptoms 
    As the MS changed, and as I grew in my knowledge and more certifications, then I was able to understand what moves needed to be done to strengthen our bodies, our legs, the foot drop, keeping the MS hug away, and things like that. So I started working with the MS and the autoimmune world. 
    The benefits of live exercise classes – giving feedback
    I also do it [exercise classes] via Zoom, where there could be seven to 10 people, and I'm showing seated moves and standing moves. I'm able to watch and say 'Hold on. Stop that. Let's do this instead.' So I can watch [and] ask, 'Is it cool enough where you are? Do you have water?' And I think that's a personal touch that I'm able to give. 
    Producing a podcast  
    I wanted to do a podcast for a long time. The gym just took so much of me. I listened to several different podcasts for years and tried to get my [own] idea of what I wanted it to be. I decided I wanted to have guests on with autoimmune diseases, a lot of them have MS. And then to get something that is inspirational, something that they do, and then have a doctor come on and really talk about the issue. 
    Related Links: 
    Try an Overcoming MS exercise video 
    Find out more about Kathy’s Disrupt Move and Transform exercise program  
    Listen to Kathy’s podcast Move It or Lose It  
    Don’t miss out: 
    Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. 
    Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. 
    If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here. 

    • 25 min

Customer Reviews

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Liesilee ,

Episode two review!

I have a scientifically geared mind but it is still great to hear these (mostly doctors themselves) talking about the program itself in such a common sense way! Very exciting indeed for a newly diagnosed MS sufferer!

Sare7 ,

Thank you!

I’m just starting my OMS journey and these pods have really helped me get my head round it all. 🙏😀

rich_collins ,

Proper useful and informative podcast

I stumbled across OMS recently and have been somewhat sceptical. However actually hearing from experts and getting to know the research has been incredibly useful

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