Pet Business Disruptors

Clayton Payne
Pet Business Disruptors

Giving an in-depth look into all aspects of the pet Industry, Pet Business Disruptors tackles everything practical you need to know to succeed in the pet industry. Whether it's starting a pet business, finding a pet industry job or selling to the world's largest Pet businesses the Pet Business Disruptors will explain how to do it and how they DID it. Aimed at everyone from entry-level to corporate CEOs within the industry Clayton and his guests cover new trends, new products and industry movements. Showing insights into what's happening in different markets and tackling common problems and challenges faced by pet industry professionals Featuring Industry Myth busters and critiquing industry products and marketing (both positive and negative). This podcast is not to be missed by people who want to know the REAL truth behind the industry and how to approach it from a position of power!

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    Navigating Growth: Chris Jones on Expanding Peregrine's Product Range and Market Reach

    In this episode, Clayton sits down with Chris Jones, the Managing Director of Peregrine Live Foods, the UK's leading distributor of reptile and live food products. Chris shares the fascinating history of Peregrine, which began 35 years ago as a small live food business founded by two scientists and has since evolved into a major player in the pet industry, employing around 170 people and serving over a thousand shops weekly. Chris also discusses the importance of independent pet shops in the reptile market, the challenges posed by Brexit, and the potential for international expansion.   KEY TAKEAWAYS Peregrine Live Foods has transformed from a small live food distributor into a comprehensive supplier of reptile products. The growth of Peregrine has been driven by strategic sales initiatives, product diversification, and capitalising on market trends, such as the boom in pet ownership during the COVID-19 pandemic. Independent reptile shops play a crucial role in the market by introducing new customers to the hobby. These shops often provide better education and ethical practices compared to larger retailers. Reptile owners tend to spend significantly on supplies, with average monthly expenditures ranging from £100 to £200. This highlights the potential profitability for pet shops that cater to reptile enthusiasts by offering a variety of products, including live food and specialised care items. Peregrine is looking to expand its reach beyond the UK by exporting its brands, particularly in the aquatic and reptile sectors.    BEST MOMENTS "Peregrine started about 35 years ago... they were essentially scientists working in a laboratory studying insects for the purpose of pesticides." "I think getting up to a million is difficult, but once you hit the one million... it takes some pretty strong strategies and pretty strong new brands." "We started to build that a little bit more. We've bought out another company since then, Fish Science... and yeah, some big plans coming in the next couple of years." "I think there's definitely been a thinning out. I think what is true is that with the internet, people who are morally dubious get found out now very easily." "We have around 7.5 million to 8 million reptiles in the UK, somewhere in the region of a million owners. It's not insignificant."   HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains, and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivaled by few.  As well as being COO of one of the UK's fastest-growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 4m
  2. 29 SEPT

    Pioneering Insect Protein: Anne Carlson's Journey with Jiminy's Dog Food

    In this episode, Clayton interviews Anne Carlson, the founder of Jiminy's Dog Food, a pioneering brand in the alternative protein market that specializes in insect protein for dogs. Anne shares her journey of introducing cricket protein into the pet food industry, discussing the challenges of regulatory approval and consumer education. The conversation delves into the unique health benefits of insect protein, including its positive impact on gut health, oral hygiene, and overall dog wellness. Anne emphasizes the importance of understanding consumer needs and the evolving landscape of pet nutrition, highlighting how Jiminy's has adapted its marketing strategy to focus on health benefits while still promoting sustainability.   KEY TAKEAWAYS Jiminy's Dog Food initially focused on cricket protein because it is more familiar and acceptable to consumers, serving as a gateway to the broader acceptance of insect-based pet foods. While sustainability is an important aspect of insect protein, the primary focus for consumer appeal has shifted to the health benefits for dogs, such as improved gut health, oral health, and overall nutrition. The journey to market involved significant regulatory hurdles, including proving the safety and digestibility of insect protein to gain approval from authorities like the FDA. Educating both consumers and retailers about the benefits of insect protein is crucial for market acceptance. This includes understanding the unique health benefits that insects provide compared to traditional proteins. The COVID-19 pandemic forced a shift towards direct-to-consumer sales, which ultimately benefited Jiminy's Dog Food by increasing online engagement and allowing for more direct communication with consumers about their products.   BEST MOMENTS "We started with the crickets because they are the gateway bug, the easiest one for the consumer to wrap their head around." "When I look at my dog, I am always thinking about his health. I care about his health and making the right choices for him." "It was a hard sell. It was really interesting to see people's reactions." "We need to focus on what makes people part with their money and it's so important it gets lost a lot." "The insect protein delivers all of the essential amino acids that the dogs need in the right quantities and it's digestible."   HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains, and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivaled by few.  As well as being COO of one of the UK's fastest-growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 7m
  3. 23 SEPT

    Why Quality Matters: The Truth About Pet Supplements and Bone BrothWhy Quality Matters: The Truth About Pet Supplements and Bone Broth

    In this episode Clayton interviews Lara McCullough , the owner of Karnlea, a company specializing in high-quality pet supplements. Lara shares her journey in the pet industry, which began 20 years ago out of a personal need to help her rescue dog with dietary issues. The conversation delves into the evolution of the supplement market, the importance of quality and transparency in pet nutrition, and the challenges of distribution for new brands. Lara discusses the unique aspects of her products, including bone broth and goat milk supplements, and emphasizes the significance of education for both retailers and consumers in making informed choices.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Market Timing and Product Development: The launch of the bone broth product was well-timed with the growing interest in pet nutrition and the rise of raw feeding. The company identified a gap in the market for convenient, shelf-stable bone broth, which contributed to its success. Importance of Quality and Transparency: The company emphasizes the significance of high-quality ingredients and transparency in sourcing. They ensure their products are tested by independent labs and produced in human-grade facilities, which builds trust with consumers. Education as a Key Strategy: Educating both retailers and consumers about the benefits and proper use of supplements is crucial. The company offers training sessions for retailers to help them understand the products better, which in turn aids in selling them effectively. Distribution Strategy: The company utilizes a combination of direct sales and partnerships with wholesalers like Pedigree and Well-Fed Pets. This multi-channel approach helps them reach a wider audience while accommodating the needs of smaller retailers through starter packs and low minimum order quantities. BEST MOMENTS "I couldn't get him to eat kibble... I was desperately searching for something to help me with his skin." "We wanted somewhere that could make our product and immediately pack it... fresh as can be, you're not losing any of the nutrients." "You might think you might be getting a better value product, but you would need to give three times as much to get the same out of it." "It's all about education... if you want to have a Zoom call and a bit of training with me on the product, that's no problem." "It's an easy upsell if the shops know how to do it; it's a really easy upsell for them." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few.  As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 3m
  4. 15 SEPT

    Breaking Down Antimicrobial Resistance: The Role of Probiotics in Modern Pet Care

    In this episode, Clayton engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Joe Flanagan, the Director of Ingenious Probiotics. They explore the revolutionary concept of using probiotics not just for pet health, but also for improving indoor air quality and reducing reliance on harmful chemical cleaners. Joe shares his journey from air quality management to the pet industry, highlighting the importance of maintaining a healthy microbiome for both pets and humans. Their discussion delves into the misconceptions surrounding bacteria, the dangers of antibacterial products, and the environmental impact of chemical cleaners. KEY TAKEAWAYS Joe highlights the importance of using probiotics to outcompete harmful bacteria rather than relying on chemical antibacterial products, which can leave behind resistant strains and disrupt the natural microbiome. The use of chemical cleaning products not only affects indoor air quality but also contributes to pollution in water systems, impacting wildlife and ecosystems. The conversation emphasizes the need for safer alternatives that are less harmful to the environment. There is a growing understanding of the significance of microbiomes in both humans and pets. A healthy balance of good bacteria is essential for overall health, and disruptions can lead to various health issues, including skin problems in pets. Joe discusses the rising concern of antimicrobial resistance due to the overuse of antibiotics and antibacterial products. It stresses the importance of using probiotics to help maintain a healthy microbiome and reduce reliance on antibiotics. The conversation encourages pet owners to consider the broader implications of their cleaning and care products, advocating for a holistic approach that prioritizes the health of pets and the environment, ultimately leading to better overall well-being for both. BEST MOMENTS "If we can use a probiotic instead of an antibiotic, we're helping with antimicrobial resistance." "You can end up in this fuzzy logic, this counterintuitive situation where the more antibacterial chemical cleaning you do, the less hygienic the situation can be." "Every piece of life on this planet has its origins in bacteria." "The environment is kind of nice to have. It's like second or third on the biome scene because it's too abstract." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few.  Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 4m
  5. 8 SEPT

    Behind the Scenes at Fluker Farms: David Fluker Discusses Challenges and Opportunities in the Insect Market

    In this episode, Clayton interviews David Fluker, the president and owner of Fluker Farms, America's largest insect company. They discuss the evolution of the pet industry, the unique range of products Fluker Farms offers, including canned and vacuum-packed crickets, and the challenges of navigating regulations in the insect sector. David shares insights into the company's diversification strategy, particularly in black soldier fly production, and the importance of research and development in driving innovation.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Fluker Farms is recognized as America's largest insect company, supplying a wide range of insect products to major pet retailers like PetSmart and Petco. This diversification into the pet industry has provided a year-round revenue stream compared to the seasonal fishing bait market. The company offers unique products such as canned crickets, fresh vacuum-packed crickets, and freeze-dried options. This variety caters to different consumer needs and preferences, especially in regions with restrictions on live insects. Collaborating with universities and focusing on research and development is crucial for Fluker Farms. This investment helps in innovating and improving product offerings, ensuring they remain competitive in the market. There is a significant focus on black soldier fly production, which is seen as a sustainable protein source for animal feed. The company aims to lower production costs to compete with traditional protein sources like chicken meal and fish meal. The potential for growth in the insect protein market is substantial, particularly in animal feed. The partnership with Soldier Fly Technologies is expected to enhance production capabilities and market reach, paving the way for more innovative products in the future. BEST MOMENTS "I think the future of it [insects] is in animal feed rather than in human food per se. But I think just as a replacement to things like soy, it’s such an important thing." "I want to make sure that the price I produce it at I can sell it at, and I can sell it to them for a price that's lower than what they actually think." “You do fresh vacuum packed crickets, like the freeze dried crickets, it's quite a massive range. I've seen the canned crickets, but the fresh vacuum packed ones look brilliant to be honest. I think it just opens up so many more market streams and also convenience.” “I know America moves so much quicker in terms of laws, and I think that's what makes America a really great country in terms of being stationed there and actually having your business there. It's the ability to move and talk to your legislators and actually get things sorted out.” HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few.  Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals. https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 6m
  6. 1 SEPT

    Navigating the Reptile Industry: Greg West's Experience and Expertise

    In today's episode, Clayton interviews Greg West, the owner of Cornell's World and the promoter for the WCRE (West Canadian Reptile Expo). Greg shares insights into his journey in the reptile industry, from his early experiences with reptiles to his involvement in TV shows like "Scaled." He delves into the importance of reptile expos in the industry, highlighting their sense of community and the opportunity they provide for education and networking.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Greg West, the owner of Cornell's World, emphasizes the importance of entertainment and community at reptile expos. Reptile shows foster a sense of camaraderie among participants, creating a unique and enjoyable experience. Greg's journey into the reptile industry started with a passion for reptiles and evolved into a successful business venture. The success of Greg's business is attributed to his dedication, hard work, and commitment to customer satisfaction. The future of Greg's business involves adapting to changing market conditions and continuing to provide high-quality products and services to customers. BEST MOMENTS "I think the worst part about doing that pitch was the fact that I realized that people actually believed my business was worth what I was asking." "The nice thing about the reptile shows is the diversity. Pet stores are geared towards selling popular reptiles, but at expos, you see a variety of species that you wouldn't see elsewhere." "Whenever the economy is bad, it's always bad for everyone, but there's winners and losers. I think it's always a thinning-out process." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few.  Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    55 min
  7. 25 AUG

    How to Sell and Succeed as a Pet Industry Distributor

    In this episode, Clayton and Harvey discuss the challenges and strategies of succeeding as a pet industry distributor. Both hosts share their own insights based on their extensive experience in the field. They discuss the evolution of distributors in the pet industry, highlighting the importance of niche specialization, stock management, and effective communication with suppliers. They also cover topics such as the impact of large distributors, the significance of customer service, the role of trade shows, and the pitfalls of running out of stock.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Maintaining good stock levels is essential for distributors to prevent out-of-stock situations, which can lead to lost sales and customer dissatisfaction. Distributors should be selective in their product offerings, focusing on quality over quantity to ensure they can meet demand and provide consistent supply to their customers. Clear and consistent communication with customers and suppliers is crucial to avoid misunderstandings, ensure smooth operations, and build strong relationships. While price is important to attract customers initially, other factors like product availability, customer service, and product quality play a significant role in retaining customers and building loyalty. Distributors need to be adaptable to changing market trends, innovate in their product offerings, and continuously improve their operations to stay competitive and meet customer needs. BEST MOMENTS "I think the bigger a company gets, the worse they get at communicating." "I think like, so I used to do my own repping. Because our business was geared Monday to Friday, I used to do double calls on a Monday and then Friday it would just be, we get the stuff out and then like, it would be a quiet day." - Interviewee "It's sad as well because I've got competitor product as well. And so rather than my customer buying this product, they're buying someone else's." "There's a decline in pet ownership of rabbits and birds. I mean, bird seed was massive. We used to sell loads of canary mix and budgie mix. Everyone would have a couple of sacks of budgie mix a week, whereas now an average pet shop might sell a couple of kilos a week." HOST BIO Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few.  Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica). As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayton-payne-a6772244/ https://www.tiktok.com/@petbusinessdisruptors https://www.youtube.com/@PetBusinessDisruptors

    1h 0m

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Giving an in-depth look into all aspects of the pet Industry, Pet Business Disruptors tackles everything practical you need to know to succeed in the pet industry. Whether it's starting a pet business, finding a pet industry job or selling to the world's largest Pet businesses the Pet Business Disruptors will explain how to do it and how they DID it. Aimed at everyone from entry-level to corporate CEOs within the industry Clayton and his guests cover new trends, new products and industry movements. Showing insights into what's happening in different markets and tackling common problems and challenges faced by pet industry professionals Featuring Industry Myth busters and critiquing industry products and marketing (both positive and negative). This podcast is not to be missed by people who want to know the REAL truth behind the industry and how to approach it from a position of power!

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