Wow! Such an amazing conversation with an amazing lady. So so glad to have Gill with us on the podcast this week. Having lived in the Grenfell tower, Gill's work is all the more personal and important to her. We talk about her experience of Grenfell, blame, and how lessons have still not been learnt from this horrendous tragedy. We also talk about her book, Catastrophe, which is incredibly honest, insightful and also heart breaking, with stories about the residents she knew. For more information about Gill's vital work, check out the links in the description.