59 episodes

Podcast by Mark Phoenix and Ben Hutchings

Relative Paths | Web Development and stuff like that Mark Phoenix and Ben Hutchings

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Podcast by Mark Phoenix and Ben Hutchings

    57: Underrated Skills | Knowing when to Blackout

    57: Underrated Skills | Knowing when to Blackout

    This week we talked about underrated skills, skills that are really useful but not often mentioned or which may be slightly outside the sphere of normal web development stuff. It was partially inspired by my so-so typing, I'm convinced that learning to touch type would be massively useful. So when we asked listeners to send us examples of underrated skills I was expecting to see practical skills like touch typing and that sort of thing sent in. But oh no, we were sent much more thought-provoking suggestions.

    Out Toolstar this time was Prepros (https://prepros.io), a GUI preprocessor for Windows, Mac and Linux. Sometimes GUI's are themselves often underrated, so a GUI vs CLI discussion ensued.

    My Jukebox this week was I'm Losing My Edge by LCD Soundsystem. I even managed to discover a web development reference in this track, sort of. Ben's was The Sun Rising by The Beloved, though he did have some opinions on their lead singer. We also realised that we'd forgotten to put a previous Jukebox pick on the playlist, so All My Friends by LCD Soundsystem is a bonus track this week. All three are added to the Relative Paths Alt Playlist (http://relativepaths.uk/altpl).

    - Mark

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    Special mention to Loopback by Rogue Amoeba (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback). This software make our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (http://www.tomwillhill.com), used with kind permission.

    • 1 hr 18 min
    56: Gimme the cash | Tinkling the ivories

    56: Gimme the cash | Tinkling the ivories

    It's been 9 months since our last episode (1000 apologies) so we had much important chat to catch up with. We discussed training clients not to call out of hours, Edge browser news, Hey Duggee, Perch and a whole host of other things. We also have a favour to ask!

    We want to release episodes regularly, but that's tricky for us as we have to carve time out of our work schedules. We'd like to dedicate a day or two each month to record and edit episodes. We'd also like to make time to research episode topics and guests. We can do this with your support. So, if you to support us please donate via our Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/relativepaths).

    Our jukebox this week had a bit of a folky feel. Ben chose the Lulu Rouge remix of Riverside by Agnes Obel. I went full folk and chose Easy to Be Around by Diane Cluck. They're both added to the Relative Paths Alt Playlist (http://relativepaths.uk/altpl).

    - Mark

    Show links:
    MS EDGE Browser news - Verge (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527550/microsoft-chromium-edge-google-history-collaboration)
    Hey Duggee Space Badge (https://youtu.be/oXkSfqmzG1o)
    The Wurzels - Remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHsBmys05Q)

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    Special mention to Loopback by Rogue Amoeba (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback). This software make our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (http://www.tomwillhill.com), used with kind permission.

    • 1 hr 17 min
    55: Perch CMS | An interview with Drew McLellan

    55: Perch CMS | An interview with Drew McLellan

    For our latest podcast episode, we spoke to Drew McLellan, co-creator of Perch and Perch Runway CMSs. I'm an avid Perch user, I built this very site with Perch, so I was particularly grateful to talk to Drew. We talked about their history and development, where Drew sees them in relation to the host of other CMSs out there (including WordPress of course), what their future holds, and the future of web development as a whole. We also had a couple of sneaky milk chocolate Mikado Sticks during the episode, but you'd never know due to Ben's editing skills.

    Our Toolstar this time was Notist, which is also developed by the Perch team. Notist is a hub for speaking events, a place to share slides, to collate feedback, tweets, photos, sketchnotes and everything to create a permanent speaking portfolio

    It's a strong Jukebox this week. I chose the Portishead remix of the Massive Attacks track Karmacoma, that one goes on our Alt Playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/altpl). Ben chose Trails of Light by Phaeleh. Drew also made an outstanding jukebox track selection, Dean Town by Vulfpeck. You might need to throw some shapes while you listen to that. Both of those are added to the Relative Paths Playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/pl).

    – Mark

    Show links:
    Perch (https://grabaperch.com)
    Perch Runway (https://perchrunway.com)
    Perch Shop (https://shop.perchcms.com)
    edgeofmyseat.com (http://www.edgeofmyseat.com)
    Notist (https://noti.st)
    Drew's Blog (https://allinthehead.com/retro)
    Perch SEO App (https://grabachirp.com%Chirp)
    Perch Pattern Library (http://patterns.perchcms.com)
    Rebuilding the Perch UI - not your usual redesign (https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2016/05/03/rebuilding-the-perch-ui-not-your-usual-redesign)
    Perchology - A Perch Newsletter (https://perchology.curated.co)
    Perchology Links - Perch CMS add-ons by third party developers (https://github.com/clivewalker/perchology-links)

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    Special mention to Loopback (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/) by Rogue Amoeba. This software makes our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (https://www.tomwillhill.com/), used with kind permission.

    • 1 hr 31 min
    54: Gatekeepers | The Just Problem

    54: Gatekeepers | The Just Problem

    This is sort-of a part 2 to our Overwhelm episode (Sorry for the nounification there, we had complaints!). This episode we talk about Gatekeeping, and Gatekeeper mentality. There's a lot of aspects but it's summed up by any sentence starting with "You're not a real developer if you...". The "Just" problem comes up too. Andy helps us work out how to counteract these issues, and encourage a more productive and supportive community.

    Our Toolstar (been a while!) is Andy's own Dev Pal initiative (https://devpal.io/) designed to give web types a place to ask a question and get a friendly one-to-one constructive answer. He explains it way better in the episode.

    For some reason I didn't have a Jukebox track ready, but thankfully Mark and Andy were well prepared. Mark chose 'Share the Fall - Full Vocal Mix' by Roni Size / Reprazent (New Forms - '97). We're adding this track to our Alt playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/altpl). Andy brought an apple for teacher when he proffered 'The Light' by The Album Leaf (Into The Blue Again - '06), which is added to the Relative Paths Playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/pl).

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    Special mention to Loopback by Rogue Amoeba (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback). This software makes our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (http://www.tomwillhill.com), used with kind permission.

    – Ben

    • 1 hr 23 min
    53: Overwhelm | Donald Sutherland is Canadian

    53: Overwhelm | Donald Sutherland is Canadian

    This episode we talk about being overwhelmed, out of our depth or burned-out. It's something most developers suffer with at some point. We try and identify what some of the causes of pressure are, have a bit of a pop at recruiters, clients and ourselves. I also reveal more than I intended about birds and Kate Bush as well as completely forgetting the word 'Euphoric" and other mistakes. Fun fun.

    After last episode's wandering, we're safely back to Electronica on the Jukebox. Mark picked 'Lowride' by Autechre (Incunabula - '98). I shared 'Siren Calls' by George Fitzgerald (All That Must Be - '18). Both tracks are added to the Relative Paths Playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/pl).

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    Special mention to Loopback by Rogue Amoeba (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback). This software make our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (http://www.tomwillhill.com), used with kind permission.

    – Ben

    • 1 hr 3 min
    52: Going Offline | with Jeremy Keith

    52: Going Offline | with Jeremy Keith

    Coming into this episode I didn't really know much about service workers. I assumed there were very specific use cases for them, but Jeremy opened our eyes to the fact that they allow access to some very powerful browser features and are useful across the board.

    We also spoke about Jeremy's recently released A Book Apart Book 'Going Offline', I'm really enjoying it. I can't put it any better than Sarah Drasner (https://sarahdrasnerdesign.com), who said:

    "Jeremy Keith explains service workers with kindness, clarity, and humour in his new book, a must-read for any web developer who wants to learn this exciting new API and enable offline experiences for their applications."

    The first chapter is available as an A List Apart article, link below.

    There were some strong Jukebox Entries this time. Jeremy Chose Catastrophe And The Cure by Explosions In The Sky, from one of my very favourite albums. Ben chose The Celestial Garden by DrumTalk but apparently described a different track in the episode, he's a sleep deprived new dad so we'll have mercy on him for that. My pick was Bashed Out by This Is The Kit, a lovely bitter sweet track.

    Jeremy's and Ben's tracks are added to the Relative Paths Playlist (https://relativepaths.uk/pl), mine goes on the Relative Paths Alt Playlist (http://relativepaths.uk/altpl) for tracks with lyrics.

    Jeremy also plays slide bouzouki for Brighton based band Salter Cane. Link to their site is below, I'd definitely recommend giving them a listen.

    Links:
    Jeremy's Site - https://adactio.com
    Going Offline, A Book Apart - https://abookapart.com/products/going-offline
    Chapter One of Going Offline - https://alistapart.com/article/going-offline
    Jeremy's Twitter - https://twitter.com/adactio
    Sara Soueidan, Offline with Service Workers - https://www.sarasoueidan.com/blog/going-offline
    Lyza Gardner, The Pragmatist’s Guide To Service Workers - https://vimeo.com/223432833
    Amber Wilson - https://amberwilson.co.uk
    Jake Archibald - https://jakearchibald.com
    Salter Cane - https://saltercane.com

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    Special mention to Loopback by Rogue Amoeba (https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback). This software make our Jukebox snippets so easy to record into Audition, and we were kindly given a free copy.

    The music we use for various intro bits, stings and outro is ‘Vitreous Detachment’ by Origamibiro (http://www.tomwillhill.com), used with kind permission.

    – Mark

    • 1 hr

Customer Reviews

DaveBeesley ,

Lovely stuff

One of my go-to podcasts - friendly, informative and approachable. And the chaps who present it aren't half bad too :)

4ndeh ,

Refreshingly different

Mark and Ben bring a refreshing outlook to their podcast. The genre can get very repetitive, but Relative Paths always feels fresh and genuine. There are clear sections that are well paced and defined which keeps the interest levels up. The music section is always a favourite of mine.

Phil Gwynne ,

Worth subscribing to!

A web development podcast that's easy to listen to and very likeable. Ben and Mark have got something good going here, keep it up!

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