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Is It Legal? TALKING POLITICS

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With British politics in disarray, we try to sort out what's a stake - legally, constitutionally and electorally. Can Johnson refuse to do what parliament demands? Can Corbyn get the election he wants? What is Dominic Cummings playing at? And how much is the Fixed-term Parliaments Act to blame for the mess? Plus we explore the likely choices ahead for voters and politicians and we ask the big question lying behind all the drama: is this a question of politics or is it a matter of law? With Helen Thompson and Kenneth Armstrong.


Talking Points:


What was Johnson trying to achieve with prorogation? 
- Deliberately provoking the opposition? Making it look like Parliament had been defeated to push the EU to work toward another agreement? 


A lot is going wrong for the government right now and it is struggling get to the general election it wants to fight.
- Helen thinks that the actual goal is an orderly exit from the EU.
- But people don’t believe Johnson when he says he is serious about getting a deal.


Corbyn says that the opposition wants a general election, but only after no deal has been ruled out.
- But if the election takes place in mid-October and Johnson wins a majority, he could overturn any legislation outlawing a no deal.
- Parliament could still revoke Article 50. This might be the best case scenario for Johnson because he could then have a Parliament vs. the people election.
- The assumption seems to be that the government cannot be replaced, but it also can’t do what it wants to do.
- Everyone seems to be trying to tie someone’s hands, but how do you create the politics where you can actually do things?


At some point there will be a general election: the government is framing it as a choice on Brexit. 
- May tried to do that in 2017 and failed. 
- But Johnson isn’t May, and he’s running on a more populist, anti-austerity platform.
- What does Labour want to fight this election on? Would they fare better in a Brexit or non-Brexit election?
- The Lib Dems are in a very different position this time.


This is an unusual government: the stories about Dominic Cummings are damaging, but it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere.
- A referendum is very different than a general election.  


Mentioned in this episode:
- Catherine Haddon on the Fixed Term Parliaments Act
- Stephen Sedley on Jonathan Sumption and the rule of law for the LRB


Further Learning: 
- Scottish Court rules that prorogation is lawful
- On challenges around a bill to prevent no deal
- David and Helen talking about prorogation on the 538 podcast


And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: lrb.co.uk/talking For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

With British politics in disarray, we try to sort out what's a stake - legally, constitutionally and electorally. Can Johnson refuse to do what parliament demands? Can Corbyn get the election he wants? What is Dominic Cummings playing at? And how much is the Fixed-term Parliaments Act to blame for the mess? Plus we explore the likely choices ahead for voters and politicians and we ask the big question lying behind all the drama: is this a question of politics or is it a matter of law? With Helen Thompson and Kenneth Armstrong.


Talking Points:


What was Johnson trying to achieve with prorogation? 
- Deliberately provoking the opposition? Making it look like Parliament had been defeated to push the EU to work toward another agreement? 


A lot is going wrong for the government right now and it is struggling get to the general election it wants to fight.
- Helen thinks that the actual goal is an orderly exit from the EU.
- But people don’t believe Johnson when he says he is serious about getting a deal.


Corbyn says that the opposition wants a general election, but only after no deal has been ruled out.
- But if the election takes place in mid-October and Johnson wins a majority, he could overturn any legislation outlawing a no deal.
- Parliament could still revoke Article 50. This might be the best case scenario for Johnson because he could then have a Parliament vs. the people election.
- The assumption seems to be that the government cannot be replaced, but it also can’t do what it wants to do.
- Everyone seems to be trying to tie someone’s hands, but how do you create the politics where you can actually do things?


At some point there will be a general election: the government is framing it as a choice on Brexit. 
- May tried to do that in 2017 and failed. 
- But Johnson isn’t May, and he’s running on a more populist, anti-austerity platform.
- What does Labour want to fight this election on? Would they fare better in a Brexit or non-Brexit election?
- The Lib Dems are in a very different position this time.


This is an unusual government: the stories about Dominic Cummings are damaging, but it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere.
- A referendum is very different than a general election.  


Mentioned in this episode:
- Catherine Haddon on the Fixed Term Parliaments Act
- Stephen Sedley on Jonathan Sumption and the rule of law for the LRB


Further Learning: 
- Scottish Court rules that prorogation is lawful
- On challenges around a bill to prevent no deal
- David and Helen talking about prorogation on the 538 podcast


And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: lrb.co.uk/talking For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

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