7 episodes

Surma and Jake talk about whatever's going on in the world of tech & web development.

Off The Main Thread Jake Archibald, Surma

    • Technology

Surma and Jake talk about whatever's going on in the world of tech & web development.

    Putting React In The Browser

    Putting React In The Browser

    In this episode, Jake and Surma chat about the complexities of adding common framework patterns into the web platform, and work that has been done on that so far.
    Resources:
    Michael Jackson's tweet. Is WebAssembly magic performance pixie dust? - Surma's investigation into wasm performance. defaultValue reflects the value attribute. The value property is complicated. HTML template instantiation. DOM parts API. DOM Parts Imperative API. DOM Parts Declarative Template API. Atomic move for elements. Shizo Kanakuri's marathon record

    • 44 min
    Canvas-based Web Apps

    Canvas-based Web Apps

    In this episode, Surma talks about web apps that (partly) abandon the DOM and use canvas instead, to take rendering matters into their own hands. Figma is one popular app that uses this approach, while Flutter is an entire app platform that went with this technique to provide portability. Jake and Surma discuss the tradeoffs of building apps this way.
    Resources:
    AI text-to-speech having a stroke ServiceWorker Static Routes Targeting the browser with Bevy Flutter’s “Showcase” section with a 6MB gif Flutter’s Material 3 Demo w/o Wasm Flutter’s Material 3 Demo w/ Wasm Ian 'Hixie' Hickson’s “Towards a modern Web stack” document HarfBuff

    • 46 min
    The Apple PWA Ban

    The Apple PWA Ban

    In this episode, Jake chats about the latest EU ruling that requires Apple to allow other browser engines on iOS, and how Apple is reacting to it.
    Resources:
    Microsoft vs the EU Microsoft vs the US BrowserChoice.eu IBrowse Mobile operating system market share Web platform tests dashboard The internal Apple email about HTML5 The Open Web Advocacy group The EU digital markets act Safari is "three browsers" Same Safari, different device Apple's "Using alternative browser engines in the European Union" docs Apple is killing web apps in the EU

    • 51 min
    TC39 Roundup and Bevy’s ECS

    TC39 Roundup and Bevy’s ECS

    In this episode, Surma shares what he learned while getting started with the Bevy Game engine, Entity Component Systems and why they might be useful for the Web. Jake rounds up the newest JavaScript language features that landed in TC39’s Stage 3.
    Resources:
    Bevy Game Engine Bevy Rendering Pipeline Buffer-backed Objects, a library by Surma to store objects in ArrayBuffer Surma built Boids with Bevy: Tweet 1, Tweet 2 When should your alarm go off when daylight savings time kicks in? TC39 Stage 3 Proposals ShadowRealm style API on workers Our previous episode which covers JSON imports. The JSON spec. Pushing up the daisies.

    • 1 hr 20 min
    The Big Build Bool Bonanaza II

    The Big Build Bool Bonanaza II

    In this episode, Jake investigates whether the existence of build tools is a symptom of the web being underpowered, or if they are part of the solution to make the web better. Surma shares his experience of learning about Bazel and how it can be used to build web projects.
    Resources:
    Touching cloth. Emirates silly class. Yes, we have done "The big build tool bonanza" before. Jake: Although "Terry's ringpull museum" isn't a real thing, the closest thing that comes to mind is a site I still use every time I buy a new pair of shoes, it's Ian's Shoelace Site. Jake's 10 year old blog posts on progressive enhancement. NextJS server actions. Rollup's docs. Jake and Surma’s talk on writing custom Rollup plugins. Vite. Some of the issues with HTTP/2 push. HTTP 203 episode on importing JSON. Using import attributes with build tools. Improving TypeScript types for import attributes. Silly view transition demo. Jason Lengstorf video: 4 Web Devs, 1 App Idea. Bazel. Aspect’s Bazel rules for JavaScript. Bazel Remote Caching.

    • 1 hr 24 min
    WebGPU and Browser Ideologies

    WebGPU and Browser Ideologies

    In this episode, Surma talks about the “GPU” in “WebGPU” and how this new web standard makes programming for the GPU more accessible. Jake talks about how different browsers approach standards and their perceived ideologies around what they prioritize.
    Resources:
    Surma’s blog post on WebGPU A 13-part blog post series on the architecture of GPUs. The OpenGL internal state object explained Dawn, a C++ library that brings the WebGPU API to C++ wgpu, a Rust crate that brings the WebGPU API to Rust. The extensible web manifesto. Edge 'injecting' content into the Chrome download page. -webkit-box-reflect. Is Safari the new IE? Stadia controller flash.

    • 1 hr 18 min

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