Lets Talk Leadership Des Walsh

Let't Talk Leadership podcast host Des Walsh, in conversation with Pepe del Rio, master coach and President of the International Association of Coaching, whose coaching. His motto is "Empower my clients".

Shan Moorthi is Director, Center for Coaching & Mentoring, at Teamcoach International. He is a Professional Trainer, Facilitator and Coach. He is Vice-President of the International Association of Coaching (IAC) and Member of the IAC Board of Governors.

Shan has been in Learning and Development for the past 20 years. He has been inspiring leaders to seek their purpose in Leading, Coaching and Mentoring others. He is the author of ‘Coaching with R.E.S.P.E.C.T’ where he shares his own Coaching journey and shares his personal insights in coaching others.

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A Taste of What We Discussed

Leaders and Ethics



* People often want to sweep the issue under the carpet

* Leaders need to clarify their purpose (why are they there?) – different from vision

* Need to constantly discuss ethics, so that it’s ingrained





Leadership is at every level. First of all we need to lead ourselves and then lead others.



Emotional Intelligence

Knowing about Emotional Intelligence is not enough. We need “emotional excellence” – the heart motivation to practice emotional intelligence.

Emotional excellence is very important in this digital world. We can be as high tech as we want, but we need “high touch” and for Shan that is all about practising emotional excellence.

Drum Circle Facilitation

Trained as a Drum Circle Facilitor, Shan finds value in using it to empower groups, and related it to the Bruce Tuckman “Forming,  Storming, Norming, Performing” development stages.

The digital revolution

A big opportunity. Automation helps us save time so we have more time available for conversation and interaction.

What keeps leaders awake at night

The question, “How do I continuously serve my purpose, despite all the challenges?”



More about Shan and Contact Details

An Internationally Certified Trainer, Facilitator and Coach, over the past 20 years Shan has trained, facilitated and coached participants across the Asian region on various aspects of Leadership, Team Development, Emotional Excellence and Performance Coaching. His innovative, interactive and high impact approaches empower his participants to experience, reflect and act for self and organizational improvements.

Shan’s contact points: His LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shan-moorthi-aa21a42/ Web site: Teamcoach International



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Let's Talk Leadership podcast show host Des Walsh in conversation with Dr Jennifer Frahm, change manager and author of the recently published Conversations of Change - A Guide to Implementing Workplace Change.

Let's Talk Leadership podcast host Des Walsh in conversation with Kris Gale, Chairman, Michael Johnson Associates (MJA), on styles of leadership, what makes effective leadership, "dealing with difficult people", and lessons from sport for business.

Lieutenant-Colonel (retd) Fred Aubin, CD, MCGI, is Founder and CEO of Strategic Red Team Consulting, and is based in Ottawa, Canada.

A 34 year command-level combat veteran of the Canadian Forces, Fred leads a consultancy team with an extensive arsenal of expertise for what he calls, “The Corporate Battlefield”. Fred has commanded everything from specialized strategic advisory teams of 20 to large multi-disciplinary task forces of 600, both at home in Canada and abroad in harm’s way. He was a highly experienced strategic planner in the Canadian Department of National Defence and has designed, managed and coordinated business plans, transformational “change management” campaigns and corporate level strategies with values in the billions of dollars.

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Red Teaming and How it Helps Business

Fred explained that on leaving the military several years before he had seen – in comparison with what he was used to in the military – a gap in business operations, in terms of planning and especially business simulations, including such things as decision support simulation, war gaming and red teaming. Hence the focus of his consulting to business and government in the intervening years.

Red Teaming is a branch of war gaming.

There are many books on war gaming for business. See below for Fred’s specially recommended ones and other sources of information on the subject. For a one page synopsis, see this page on Fred’s website.

There are three types of war gaming, with same basic elements, different outcomes:



* Course of Action War Gaming

* Rehearsal War Gaming

* Red Team Exercise



Course of Action War Gaming

A series of at least two, possibly more, sequential and comparable war games. Used in plan development stage to determine the most viable options in terms of the various factors to be considered, such as risk, execution and payoff.

Rehearsal War Gaming

When the course of action has been established, when you are getting ready to act, but “haven’t thrown the switch yet”. A rehearsal process, with all the key actors, prior to the plan’s execution. To “reduce risk by turning hindsight into foresight”.

Red Team War Gaming

Red team war gaming is not entry level. Where it happens it is a capstone exercise that follows course of action war gaming and rehearsal war gaming.

The Red Team exercise is similar to the Rehearsal war game, with the exception that ideally, the red team members are not drawn from the organization’s stakeholders. Each red team member is a subject specialist and is only given the amount of information about the organization that a normal competitor would have. Their task is to put the organization’s plan under “extreme competitive stress”.



The whole idea is you reduce risk by turning hindsight into foresight, turning individual knowledge into collective knowledge.



A Hack for Economy with Effectiveness

In the conversation, Fred explains the ideal composition of the Red team in a Red Teaming exercise. He also provides an option for corporates wanting a more economical setup without prejudicing effectiveness (find this at or about 22 min 35 sec into the episode,