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Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner that will help you grow disciples and the local church through leadership, discipleship and mission.

Ordinary Radicals Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner

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Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner that will help you grow disciples and the local church through leadership, discipleship and mission.

    Episode 13: Politics and The Gospel in an Age of Rage

    Episode 13: Politics and The Gospel in an Age of Rage

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speak on the hot topic politics.
    Can a gospel-loving Christian still care about politics at the same time? If a Christian is more on one side either to the right or left, still be a faithful Christian?
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    Politics can be a divisive issue. Being under multiple pastors and reading much social media proves it.
    Politics can be extremely stigmatizing as it’s way and completely divisive! Jesus is not about that.
    I love children; therefore, I hate abortion.
    We are not saying the church is a Republican church.

    We have to stand for the sanctity of life, marriage, the preciousness of life and religious liberty.

    Politics is the battle of the gods. It is either the capital “G” God or the lower case “g” god as people always have a personal agenda.
    The political lingual of the American experiment: the language of (1) freedom, (2) equality, (3) rights.

    It is not that Christians have nothing to say about Washington D.C. or Rome. But politics should not be the ultimate issue that focuses on the message.

    The fullness of the gospel. We can be made right with God and have a relationship with one another.
    Gospel centrality means not a social message, not a political message, not a moral message, nor a therapeutic message. But it is the message of sin, death, and forgiveness.

    Politics is important, but let it not obscure our message or pervert the message. Let us remember why we exist as the people of God.

    Ultimately comes down to identity. People know me for my identity as a Christian and ought to be the very top of the notice. I don’t think that’s true for many of us though.

    Here’s the breakdown outline from today’s conversation;
    Introduction: The Political Tension for Christian in Democrat vs. Republican Debate. 

    “Trump is the devil”
    “If you love Jesus, you cannot vote for a democrat”
    Unfortunately, within the Christian circle, believers cannot talk about politics.
    The origin of the left vs. the right (Democrat vs Republican).

    1. Relevancy: The Willful Ignorance Against Politics

    Jesus speaking on the current events on the issue of relevance.
    Pastors often choose willful ignorance to avoid the topic of politics.
    Politics has become a difficult topic to converse about in the Christian circle.
    “What renders to Ceaser is Ceasers” (Matt 22:15-22).
    The western interpretation that is out of context: God vs. Government?
    The black and white issues (Example: Pro-Life matters).

    2. Jesus as King: Which Kingdom You Live By?

    Tony Evan’s comment on political stance as Christians.
    “Jesus did not come to take sides, but to take over” – Tony Evans
    We are to be kingdom people first and then political people the second.
    The divine kingdom: The Gospel allegiance as kingdom citizenship
    The battles of gods: The capital “G” God vs. the lower case “g” god.
    The American experience (Example: teenage child’s issue of gender identity).
    “Who’s the greatest?” The dispute amongst disciples (Luke 9:46-48).
    The confusion: (1) the role of the church, (2) the role of the government.
    Who can change the heart of man? (Prov 19:21).

    3. The Gospel Above All: Even Political Opinion

    The gospel unites us all. The gospel needs to be the most important issue!
    Jesus selects Matthew the tax collector and Simo the Zealot (Matt 11:1-19)
    “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.” (Luke 10:2).
    United for the gospel: “The faith that was once delivered to all the saints” (Jude 1:3).
    “The Gospel: the first and foremost” (1 Tim 2:1-15).
    The unity of the church is far more important than the uniformity of our politics
    Amid political discard, church leadership is to put the mission first.
    People ought to be known for their love for one another first (1 John 2:1).

    Resources mentio

    • 20 min
    Episode 12: Why Every Christian Should Consider Adoption

    Episode 12: Why Every Christian Should Consider Adoption

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speak on a topic both are very passionate about Adoption.
    Have you considered adoption? Why should adoption be the priority for Christian families and churches?
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    The most tragic systematic injustice of our generation. Abortions cost $300 Adoptions cost $30,000 +

    Adoption ought to be the priority calling for Christian families and churches as it is a biblical calling.

    I am so glad God has adopted us as sons and daughters. Adoption is close to His heart.

    God has bought us out from the slave market of sin and brought us into new citizenship of heaven.
    Because we are adopted as sons and daughters of the highest, we celebrate together the beautiful adoption of the rescue, redemption the restoration of the heavenly Father’s love.

    People asked us, “Are you ready to adopt?” But then, it dawned on us. This child was never ready to be an orphan. Who am I to say I am not ready to adopt?

    Adoption was a matter of obedience.
    As our Heavenly Father became father to the fatherless, by the power of the Holy Spirit, our churches and Christians must engage in the response of the adoption crisis.

    Biblical calling to love and take care of widows and orphans, but that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone needs to add one to the family.

    The orphan crisis of children is unfathomable. There is no access what-so-ever for these children. The Gospel and the love of Christ are needed in all nations.
    All life is precious to our Savior which means the lives of those little ones (including our future son), sitting in orphanages literally wasting away because of neglect. The gospel is just as important to the kids who are neglected here in America. They are worth fighting for and investing resources in.

    Here’s the breakdown outline from today’s conversation;
    Intro: Social Media Outrage over Adoption Post 
    1. Adoption Story of Boatner Family & Hayashi Family 

    Adoption can be a very long process. 
    The process can be frustrating and confusing 

    2. Biblical Calling for Adoption for Christians

    “Taking care of the widows and orphans” (Jam 1:27) 
    “Follow Me” (Matt 16:24) as part of a calling into adoption. 
    “Adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ” (Eph 1:5). 
    “Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs” (Eph 5:19). 
    “Bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord (Eph 6:4). 
    “Grow in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man.” (Luke 2:52).
    “Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.” (Ps 82:3). 
    “Delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son,” (Col 1:13). 
    “See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God.” (1 John 3:1). 
    “But our citizenship is heaven, and from it, we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,” (Phil 3:20). 
    “Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation. God settles the solitary in a home; he leads out the prisoners to prosperity, but the rebellious dwell in a parched land.” (Ps 68:1-6). 

    3. The Differences between Domestic Adoption & International Adoption 

    Domestic is local to the country. International is overseas. 
    The foster care system can lead to adoption with support from the government. 
    International adoption can differ options with country depending on background. 
    Adoption options will narrow as you look at age, color or medical history. 
    Both domestic and international are equally needed. One is not greater importance than the other. 

    4. Important Details to Expect in Preparation Phase for Families Considering Adoption

    Disclaimer: A LOT OF PAPERWORK!!!!! 
    (1) Looking into an adoption agency.

    • 38 min
    Episode 11: Cultivating Unity in Diversity for the Modern Churches

    Episode 11: Cultivating Unity in Diversity for the Modern Churches

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speak on the topic of pursuing multiethnic health churches in your local ministry context.
    What does it even mean to bean multi-ethnic church? Why does this matter in the current 21st-century evangelical churches? The Bible seems to give a compelling vision of diversity in the kingdom of God. Here’s the breakdown of the conversation looking through the biblical lenses on the importance of diversity in unity for the Christian community.
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    The unity of the body is supposed to lead people to know who God is and not just people, but all the angels and everything.
    The people will see unity and say, “That is the power of God!”

    Churches say, “We welcome you with wide stretch arms” But when people come in a sense says, “Hey, leave your culture out the door. You will fit how we do stuff here.”

    Your church should always look like your local Walmart. It is always contextual.

    People often choose comfort over Christ.

    Is church about comfort or is it about Jesus? Is it about coming as the nations like heaven is going to be, or is it about me wanting it to look like my Facebook feed with my best friends that are my country club?

    People say that the fastest and the quickest way to grow a church is to have a specific target people group to reach. The question is, is that the healthiest and most godly way to approach it?

    People tend to desire to be around people who think like us, speak like us, and people who don’t challenge us. What does that do? This begins to create a very consumeristic church, and have we not seen consumerism in our churches?

    The majority culture has few or any close relationships with people from the culture of other racial or ethnic groups who are not like them.

    People tend not to listen to each other and those whom you disagree with. You can still listen to them and respect them. 

    Here are the four questions covered in the podcast;
    Dr. Brandon Boatner received a doctoral degree from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary 
    1. What is Your Doctrinal Dissertation? 

    Different Doctorates Available: Example Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) Doctor of Ministry (D.Min) Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) 
    Title: Leading Anglo Churches the Biases Against Identity Formation in Effort to Create Further Opportunity for Multi-Ethnic Ministry.

    2. Why Is This Topic Important for the 21st Century Evangelical Churches? 

    The topic resonated with many pastors. 
    Question: Why is the church so separated by race?
    Matters to God (Eph 3:6-11). 

    Equipping the Saints for Work of Ministry (Eph 4:1-5). 
    Barriers broken: Racial, socio-economic and gender (Gal 3:28). 
    Assimilation vs. Accommodation. 
    Example: The lunch buffet of the salad bar. 
    Homogeneous churches fail to translate to the cultural context. 

    Practicing heaven down on earth (Rev 7:9).

    3. What Were the Results from the Research Study? 

    The final product of the study was 360 pages. 
    Various lenses: 

    Historical scope
    Scriptural understanding
    Identity formation
    Personal perception 

    Everyone has a bias. Therefore, churches have biases as well. 
    Consumeristic churches are the majority of modern churches. 
    The oxymoron of culture people lives in. Separation of racial and ethnic boundaries.

    4. How Did You Approach in Gathering All the Information? 

    Reading a lot of books: Liberals, Conservatives, Muslims, Christians, Social activities, Pastors…. Etc 
    Manifest Destiny is the historical scope in the country of America. 

    5. Conclusion: Practical Help for Listeners 

    Listen to each other. 
    Check your emotions. 
    Experience the cultures. 

    Resources mentioned in today’s podcast

    Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
    White Wake: An Honest Look at What It Means to Be White
    Manifest Destiny Gateway

    • 29 min
    Episode 10: Is Anxiety Sin? How Should Christians Respond?

    Episode 10: Is Anxiety Sin? How Should Christians Respond?

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on an unspoken subject of anxiety in the Christian life.
    It seems like so many young teenagers fight with anxiety these days. How could we deal with our anxiety? Where does anxiety come from?
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    “By perseverance the snail reached the ark.” – Charles Spurgeon

     The longer I’m in ministry it seems like anxiety seems to be more prevalent in ministry.

     We are not saying, “Let Go and let God” everything in life as everything is fine and dandy in life.
    Anxiety when it gets all negative, then you are in the sinful side. You are in a sense not trusting God and it controls your life.
    Just because you’re Christian it doesn’t mean that you won’t face any difficulty in life. It doesn’t mean you will only have peace, peace, peace in your life.

    The gospel doesn’t say God will only give you comfort, prosperity, protection and preservation. We just don’t find that anywhere in the Bible.

    Anxiety = Emotions having control over us and Lord over us.
    As people, we question our insecurity in God (foundation in Christ) that turns to anxiety.
    The fruit of your life reveals the root of your heart.
    You can change all your actions and you want, if you don’t change the thoughts and heart, it just won’t work. That will change the outside.

    The Christian life is often about dethroning yourself from your own life.

    Anxiety and fear are the both side of the same coin. Those stem out of “Worry”.
    Prayer is the cure to worry and solution to our anxiety.

    Don’t make prayer your last chance, make prayer your first choice.

    Here are the four fundamental questions to raise and ponder on the doctrine of the Church as we look into the scriptures on this very topic;
    1. What is Anxiety?   

    “Come to, all those who are weary and burden, and I will give you rest.” (Matt 11:28-30).
    Anxiety is the number one prescribed issue by secular psychologist / counselors.
    Anxiety could be in medical terms the following

    Erratic heartbeat,
    Panic attack
    Fear of losing control,


    Not professional state license counselors.
    Not stress free from all of life.
    Not all anxiety is bad. Some could be healthy.

    Anxiety vs. Concern? Biblical Examples.

    Negative: “Do not be anxious for nothing” (Phil 4:7).
    Positive: “But I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you.” (Phil 2:19)

    Anxiety also can be interchangeable with “fear”.
    Emotions are great indicator but ought not be our dictator.

    2. Where does Anxiety Come From?  

    World without sin? Where no one was sad, and nothing was bad (Genesis 2:4-24).
    Anxiety is the fallen nature of sin that has been corrupted (Genesis 3:1-24).
    “The seed of Adam” The death through Adam (Rom 5:12-21).
    Security is lied within the foundation of God. Turn away? You’re in anxiety.
    Biblical terms for anxiety/fear

    Craving of the heart (Idolatry)
    Self-gratification (Vertical vs. Horizontal connection)
    Fear of men (Ed Welch: People are big, God is small).

    The inner man within the heart of man (Matt 15:19).

    Example: Panic attack? Not behavioral modification to not get to the heart of the problem. What is the core issue here?

    Decision making point: Choose God? Or choose Self?
    True Transformation: Change of Action? No, change of thought and the heart.
    “I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer who live, but Christ lives in me.” (Gal 2:20).
    Prayer? “Help me in my life.” There is an ownership there. No, it is Christ’s life.

    Worry = Anxiety + Fear.
    How to conquer worry? Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Shift the burden of life: “I am going to take control over this life.” Self-sovereignty.
    Acknowledgement of saying, “God I don’t need you in my life. I got this”

    Anxiety can be multiplied by your own experience and circu

    • 28 min
    Episode 9: A Healthy Church is a Singing Church

    Episode 9: A Healthy Church is a Singing Church

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on following the previous episode on singing in the church!
    So, why don’t people in your church don’t sing anymore? How should we respond to this dilemma? People may feel discomfort in singing because of various different reasons.
    This episode will talk about practical steps in order to reform back into a healthy singing church.
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    We won’t have youth ministry in heaven, we won’t have evangelism in eternity, but we will have worship with God forever.
    Part of moving from the Word of God is that song! You always have a song in your heart.

    Music have been constrained to a Sunday morning event rather than a lifestyle.

    The silence is not a beautiful thing. Our off-tune singing is far more beautiful to God than our silence voices that we hold back.
    Singing is like our macaroni necklace that we offer to God. God looks to us and says, “Thank you. I love your macaroni necklace. I’ll take it.” It is an offering of worship to the Lord.

    The second most given command in the Bible is to sing.

    We don’t sing because we primarily we like to sing, or we stay quiet because primarily we do not like to sing.
    Worship is not done grudgingly, but because it brings glory, adoration and delight to our Savior Jesus Christ.
    Passive mentality: “We are here to see and receive the religious goods and services of people.”
    People have become passive spectators rather than active participants in the meaningful ministry of the mission of Jesus Christ.

    When people don’t sing, they are numbing themselves to the commands of God.

    Worship is not always joy, joy, joy or happy, happy, happy. Reflect the scriptures.
    Song selection have to be more than the three people we care most; I, me, myself.
    The Psalmist: You want to know the attribute of God? Go to the psalms.
    The worship set must be biblically saturated, gospel-driven, and kingdom minded songs.

    Show me your song list and I will show you where their theology lies.

    Here are the five important biblical solution to creating a healthy church that becomes more a singing church.
    1. Singing is So Much than What We Do. Singing is Who We Are (Psa 139:14).

    Worship is the ultimately priority of the church.

    Praise & Exaltation: God created man for this very reason.
    “Chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever” (Westminster Catechism)
    “Let the Word of God dwell richly in you richly in all wisdom and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” (Col 3:16).
    Narrative Account: Moses crossing the sea (Exo 15:1-21).

    God is far less concern about the tunefulness of ability. God is far more concern with the integrity of the heart.

    Subjective Reality: Worship is the matter of the heart, rather than the lips.
    Macaroni example: A child makes macaroni necklace for mom and dad. How much more with our heavenly Father?
    “Every nation, from all tribes and people and languages” (Rev 7:9).
    “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty!” (Isa 6:3).

    2. Worship is a Command: We are Commanded to Worship God.  

    Singing is Our Prayer unto the Lord.

    “O come, let us worship the Lord” (Psa 95:6).
    To sing is the second most commanded task in scripture.
    Singing is not primarily the reason of likes. Singing is obedience.
    A Church is a singing community. This makes it very unique from any other group of organization.
    New Testament Example: Paul & Silas (Acts 16:16-40).

    Worship is the overflow of the heart. Where is the Joy?

    3. The Performance vs. Participation Mentality

    Example: Structure of the Church as A Hinderance?
    Audience becomes who the people are singing to rather than the audience of One (Directly to God Himself) .
    Worship is a vertical connection rat

    • 24 min
    Episode 8: Why Don’t People Sing in Church? Part 1

    Episode 8: Why Don’t People Sing in Church? Part 1

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on the topic build on top from last episode, why don’t people sing in church?
    First of all, is this even true? If so, is it a big deal? Is worship done for the people? Or is worship done by the people? If you’re a listener and a worship leader, are you aware of these perhaps dilemma of connecting with your congregation?
    Well, get ready. We got a two-part breakdown on this topic.
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    I don’t say that to challenge God or tempt God, but God loves you and you have to faithful in trusting Him as He always takes care of His children.
    In the 21st century, we are a music sort of people! No one will say, “I hate music!” It’s part of our culture.

    Corporate Worship: We are here not to sing by myself, but I am here to sing together as a church.

    “This is how I worship! I worship by listening” I heart that a lot from the people.
    Worship became a private thing, so I just love to listen others sing.

    How we view success of worship is different from How God sees a successful worship.

    Here are the five reasons people aren’t singing in your church;
    Intro: Testimony of God’s Provision
    1. Musically Illiterate: The Cultural Movement in with Music

    “I Love Lucy” The average household used to have pianos in the home.
    Hymnals: Chord Charts? Lead Sheet? Vocal (SABT)?

    2. Personal Fear: “Do I Sound Ok? Am I Prohibiting Worship?

    There’s fear jus in everything! (Example: Greeting Time).

    3. The Volume that is Too Loud: The loud music that drains the singers out.

    Corporate Worship: This is why we exist!

    4. The Unfamiliarity of Songs: Fail to Have a Common Body of Hymnody

    “Well I don’t know this song!” So the arms are crossed and not participate.
    Genre: Sunday morning worship that is not suitable? “Turned Off”
    Seasoned Members: Too many newer songs that are unfamiliar.
    Hymns with Newer Rendition: Same Lyrics? But different tune.
    Worship = Private Event?

    5. Professional Production vs. Congregational Singing “I’m just not a Musical Person!”  

    “I love to make a Joyful Noise!” But not musical, therefore I don’t sing.
    What is true worship? The grace metrics in worship

    Resources mentioned in today’s podcast

    The Baptist Hymnal
    To Avoid Problems with Lyric Slides, Innovative Church Prints Out Songs and Compiles Them into Book.
    Episode 7: The Worship Wars
    The Majesty’s Men

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