The Money Trench - The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland

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The Money Trench - The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland Podcast

The Money Trench (TMT) is The Music Industry Podcast from presenter Mark Sutherland and exec producer Mike Walsh, produced by Tape Notes and supported by PPL. Each Monday, we will dissect the biggest music industry news stories of the previous week, in the company of one of the industry’s most influential executives. Followed by a deep dive into that exec’s career in music, including their thoughts on where we’re at and where we’re heading. Now, TMT is here to look at all sides of the music business and celebrate the most exciting industry on the planet. Don’t start your music week without it…

Episodes

  1. 2 DAYS AGO

    TMT:12 Ben Wynter on Dynamic Pricing, Making a Stand on Joe Rogan, Why the Music Biz Is Going Backwards on Diversity, and Partying with Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark sits down with Ben Wynter, the visionary Founder of Unstoppable Music Group, Co-Founder of Power Up, and Director of Business Development & Partnerships at AIM (Association of Independent Music). Looking back on his early career, Ben shares stories of pitching to managers on the street, securing spontaneous internships in New York, and navigating the challenges faced by Black executives. He also opens up about lessons from his mother, and the power of using your voice in leadership. The conversation digs into industry reflections, four years after George Floyd, touching on promises made by major labels, black squares, and Spotify’s controversial stance on Joe Rogan. Ben also recounts the time he accidentally left £2,000 on a train and his unforgettable experience of taking iconic photos with Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland.  NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

    1h 12m

  2. 1 SEPT

    TMT:11 Alan Edwards on The Impact of the Oasis Revival, PR Mastery, and Touring with Spice Girls, Bowie, and Motörhead

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark sits down with Alan Edwards, the founder of public relations powerhouse, The Outside Organisation. As the buzz around the Oasis revival dominates headlines, Alan delves into the potential ripple effects of the band's reunion on the music industry, particularly its influence on grassroots venues. Often hailed as the godfather of modern PR, Alan recounts some of the most iconic moments of his career, sharing behind-the-scenes stories from his work with legends like David Bowie, the Spice Girls, Motörhead, and Amy Winehouse. He also provides an insightful look at how the PR landscape has evolved, defining what truly constitutes good PR in today’s world. ALAN'S NEW BOOK: 'I Was There: Dispatches from a Life in Rock and Roll.' NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes

    1h 6m

  3. 25 AUG

    TMT:10 Helen Thomas & Jeff Smith on Curating Radio 2's Playlist, Revamping the Presenter Lineup, and Reviving ELO

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Helen Thomas, Head of BBC Radio 2, and Jeff Smith, Head of Music for BBC Radio 2 and 6 Music. As they explore the evolving strategy at Radio 2, Helen and Jeff share insights on adapting to a new generation of listeners while continuing to serve the current audience, the rationale behind changing the presenter lineup, and the planning behind the much-anticipated Radio 2 in the Park. They also take us inside the Radio 2 playlist room, revealing the process behind curating one of the most influential & largest music playlists in the UK. As well as discussing how Radio 2 is staying ahead in a rapidly changing media landscape and highlighting the importance of representation across the country, they explore the role of AI in the future of radio and what it means for the industry moving forward. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Alex Patterson & Will Lyons

    1h 18m

  4. 18 AUG

    TMT:09 Dave Bianchi on Breaking UK Acts Internationally, the Next ‘Alt’ Music Movement, and What US Labels Really Think About UK Labels

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Various Artists CEO Dave Bianchi. Throughout the conversation, Dave discusses the challenges of breaking UK acts internationally, exploring the complexities of selling music abroad and predicting where the next 'alt' music movement might emerge. Beyond industry insights, including his new ventures with Various Artists, he shares his long journey in the music world—from lugging boxes for Pink Floyd to launching his own music night and eventually establishing key industry connections. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Jonathon Coughlin

    1h 2m

  5. 11 AUG

    TMT:08 Darcus Beese on Rising from Intern to Island President, Independent Labels Resetting the Industry, How Ed Sheeran Got Away, & Lessons Learned From Amy Winehouse

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Island ex-CEO and President, A&R Legend and now Indie Label Head, Darcus Beese. Giving the music industry headlines a miss this week (Mark's on holiday), Darcus dives into his journey from intern to industry leader, sharing stories of signing some of the biggest artists of the past few decades, including Amy Winehouse, Sugababes, and Florence + The Machine. As well as stories of A&R chaos, he shares his thoughts on the shifts in the music landscape, his decision to launch Darko Recordings, and what he looks for in successful artists today. Darcus’s memoir, Rebel With a Cause: Roots, Records, and Revolutions, will be available from August 15, 2024. 'Rebel With a Cause: Roots, Records and Revolutions' - ORDER HERE NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Alex Patterson

    1h 21m

  6. 4 AUG

    TMT:07 Nina Nesbitt & Vicky Dowdall on Fair Pay for Songwriters, Successful Manager-Artist Relationships, Motherhood in Music, and Karaoke with Justin Bieber

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by singer-songwriter Nina Nesbitt and manager Vicky Dowdall. With a partnership going back to Nina’s teenage years, the pair reflect on the pivotal moments of their careers together, from handling major label deals to starting a label of their own Apple Tree Records. They share the secret to their strong artist-manager relationship and recount stories of buying Irn-Bru for Stevie Nicks, auditioning for Simon Cowell, and singing karaoke with Justin Bieber. 'Mountain Music' - PRE-ORDER HERE 'Mountain Music' is available from 27th September on Apple Tree Records. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 9m

  7. 28 JUL

    TMT:06 Tara Richardson on Launching a Management Company, Attitudes to Mental Health, Top Artist Traits, and Pub Quizzes With The Last Dinner Party

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Tara Richardson, not long after the launch of her new management company T-Time Management. Tara discusses her decision to leave Q Prime and start her own company, sharing her vision for T-Time and her thoughts on the future of the music industry. Reflecting on her journey in the music industry, Tara recounts her early days managing guest lists, working with Suggs, and touring Eastern Europe with The Prodigy. She also shares valuable lessons learned from industry legends Peter Mensch and Cliff Burnstein and explains what she now looks for in breaking new bands. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 1m

  8. 21 JUL

    TMT:05 Daniel Glass on Universal's Early Days, Hustle Culture, Physical vs. Digital Sales, and Growing Artists Into Arenas

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark catches up with storied US label boss Daniel Glass. On a fleeting London visit, Daniel reflects on the early days of his career, from the moment he fell in love with the market, to setting up a label from a hotel foyer, and his time at Chrysalis and Universal Records. As well as sharing his thoughts on hustle culture and how to be a successful entrepreneur in today's music world, Daniel looks at what's ahead for Glassnote Records, sharing his predictions for new music 'arena fillers' and what they're doing right. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 8m

  9. 14 JUL

    TMT:04 Annabella Coldrick on Managers' Evolving Roles, the Fight for Fair Pay in Streaming, Renegotiating Contracts, and New Music Industry Baddies

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the new Music Managers Forum (MMF) CEO, Annabella Coldrick. As well as digging into the latest music industry news, including major label restructuring and management lawsuits, the conversation explores how the role of music managers has evolved over the years, the key ways to make the industry fairer and how to create strong artist relationships. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 6m

  10. 7 JUL

    TMT:03 Tom Kiehl on UK Music's Pre- and Post-Election Strategy, the Impact of a New Government, Post-Brexit Challenges, and Uncovering Portsmouth's Music Scene

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the new UK Music Chief Executive, Tom Kiehl (recorded on the day of the General Election). As the bridge between the music industry and government, Tom discusses how UK Music has prepared and will respond to the results of the General Election. In addition to sharing stories of early morning record store days and investigating the Portsmouth music scene, the conversation covers what Tom is prioritising in his new role, including the impact and lasting implications of leaving the EU, the challenges facing grassroots music venues, and the growth of AI. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    49 min

  11. 30 JUN

    TMT:02 Ferdy Unger-Hamilton on AI Lawsuits, independent label success, the future of A&R, and partying in Bono's hotel room

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by A&R heavyweight and former major label head, Ferdy Unger-Hamilton. In another big week for the industry, the conversation covers major label lawsuits, the Rolling Stones on Roblox, and an in-depth discussion of the most important parts of A&R. Reflecting on his career, Ferdy talks through his very first job interview taken on a payphone, to his time at the top of major labels Polydor, Columbia & Virgin, and life now at his own indie label Promised Land Music. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 3m

  12. 23 JUN

    TMT:01 Lorna Clarke on Glastonbury, the BBC vs commercial radio, nurturing new talent & eating curry with Paul McCartney

    Welcome to The Money Trench. In this, our very first episode, Mark is joined by Lorna Clarke, Director of Music at the BBC, ahead of one of the busiest weeks in her calendar, Glastonbury. As well as discussing the scale of the BBC’s Glastonbury coverage and detailing what goes into planning a broadcast of this scale, Lorna takes us on a deep dive into her career, sharing her thoughts on the BBC vs. commercial radio, why diversity within the industry is vital for its success, and stories of curry mishaps with Paul McCartney. NEWSLETTER Sign up HERE for the TMT newsletter - featuring each week’s hottest music industry stories. PPL  The Money Trench is sponsored by the PPL who celebrate their 90 th year in business this year. KEEP UP TO DATE For the latest podcast and music business updates, make sure to follow us on:  Instagram: @the_money_trench LinkedIn: The Money Trench Website: The Money Trench GET IN TOUCH If you have any feedback, guest suggestions or general comments? We’d love to hear from you! - Get in touch here! Thanks to our partners PPL  Earth/Percent Tom A Smith Aimless Play Fourth Pillar Sennheiser Junkhead Studio Tape Notes Executive Producer: Mike Walsh Producer: Tape Notes  Recorded and Edited: Will Lyons & Jonathan Coughlin

    1h 7m
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The Money Trench (TMT) is The Music Industry Podcast from presenter Mark Sutherland and exec producer Mike Walsh, produced by Tape Notes and supported by PPL. Each Monday, we will dissect the biggest music industry news stories of the previous week, in the company of one of the industry’s most influential executives. Followed by a deep dive into that exec’s career in music, including their thoughts on where we’re at and where we’re heading. Now, TMT is here to look at all sides of the music business and celebrate the most exciting industry on the planet. Don’t start your music week without it…

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