17 episodes

This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion.

Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.

The podcast is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.

The Way Out Is In Plum Village

    • Religion & Spirituality
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This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion.

Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.

The podcast is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.

    From Extraction to Regeneration: Healing Ourselves, Healing Society (Episode #16)

    From Extraction to Regeneration: Healing Ourselves, Healing Society (Episode #16)

    Welcome to episode 16 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, the presenters, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino, are joined by special guest, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit). Together, they discuss eco-anxiety, the challenges of and solutions for shifting to a new paradigm which can heal us and our planet, and whether it’s possible to change our minds, hearts, and future. Plus: how can you be at peace in what feels like a battlefield? 



    The conversation touches upon “the decisive decade”; individualism and competition; interdependence; handling fear; transformation; change in “the age of collective procrastination”; and opportunities in difficult times. Is it possible to ‘sit’ with collapse? 



    Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit) shares his journey of transformation, from studying sciences at Cambridge, to numerous retreats, and eventual monastic life. 



    He further talks about creating transformation at both personal and collective levels; the cult of individualism; societal numbness; handling the energy of negativity; the basis of understanding reality, and what nourishes our views and beliefs; the economic conceit ‘the tragedy of the commons’; creating shared visions and aspirations; and telling new stories. And how do you change your view when you’re caught in the old paradigm?



    Brother Phap Huu shares insights on how to not lose ourselves in a fast-paced environment, and looks at: fundamental questions; procrastination; individual aspirations; becoming free from attachment; striving and the importance of stopping; learning in the community; the Six Harmonies; and the joy of sharing.



    There’s also important advice for those ‘burning out’ in the environmental movement.Jo recollects Thich Nhat Hanh’s speech to the members of the UK Parliament and his thoughts on conflictual political systems. He further muses on the lasting joy of community life. 



    The episode ends with a short meditation on gratitude and Mother Earth, guided by Brother Phap Linh. 







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







    List of resources 



    Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit)https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh/ 



    Richard Dawkinshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins 



    The tragedy of the commonshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons 



    Elinor Ostromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom 



    Music for Difficult Timeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YarhXTDs8Z4‘Introduction to Namo Avalokiteshvara’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjBUZrrqAVQ 



    Kundunhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KundunGandhihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi_(film) 



    Comfortably Numbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfortably_NumbSiddharthahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel) 



    The Matrixhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix 



    Dharma Talks: ‘The Four Noble Truths: Vulture Peak Gathering’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-four-noble-truths-vulture-peak-gathering-2016-06-04-lower-hamlet-sr-dinh-nghiem/



    Multi-level selection theoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperation_%28evolution%29#Multi-level_selection



    The Five Mindfulness Trainingshttps://plumvillage.org/mindfulness-practice/the-5-mindfulness-trainings/ 



    The Fourteen Mindfulness Trainingshttps://plumvillage.org/mindfulness-practice/the-14-mindfulness-trainings/ 







    Quotes



    “When everything is motivated by love, you don’t burn out.”



    “My dad wro

    • 1 hr 47 min
    Building and Sustaining the Beloved Community (Episode #15)

    Building and Sustaining the Beloved Community (Episode #15)

    Welcome to episode fifteen of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, the presenters, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino, talk about the art of community living, and take a closer look at the Plum Village community’s four decades of existence.The conversation touches upon key friendships – like that between Martin Luther King Jr. and Thich Nhat Hanh; ‘the beloved community’; collective energy; the spirit of togetherness; sustaining a community; deep listening; the importance of the sangha (a community of practitioners) for individuals’ practice of mindfulness. And: can two people form a community?



    As abbot of Upper Hamlet and former attendant to Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, Brother Phap Huu shares inspiring inside stories from the Plum Village community, including unexpected turns of events; the impact on the community of practitioners of Thay’s withdrawal from public life; the secrets to a resilient and harmonious community; sharing opinions versus voting. What is it like to lead a community as a young abbot or abbess? And can you guess Thay’s true ‘masterpiece’?



    Jo muses on the importance of vulnerability and of a conscious community; dharma sharing; and how sanghas he joined in different countries impacted his own practice.



    The episode ends with a short meditation on community and friendship, guided by Brother Phap Huu. 







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







    List of resources 



    Loving Speech & Deep Listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDJBKEOe7Pg 



    Bhikkhu/bhikshuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhikkhu



    Bodhisattvahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva 



    International Sangha Directoryhttps://plumvillage.org/about/international-sangha-directory/ 



    Martin Luther King Jr.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr. 



    Dharma sharinghttps://plumvillage.org/extended-mindfulness-practises/ 



    Vesak Dayhttps://plumvillage.org/articles/vesak-day-2021/Dharma Talks: ‘Beloved Community’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/beloved-community/ 



    Brothers in the Beloved Community https://www.parallax.org/product/brothers-in-the-beloved-community/



    Letter from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. nominating Thich Nhat Hanh for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1967https://plumvillage.org/letter-from-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-nominating-thich-nhat-hanh-for-the-nobel-peace-prize-in-1967/



    “Man is not our enemy”https://plumvillage.org/articles/blog/poems-of-thay/alone-again-song-recommendation-thays-poetry/ 







    Quotes“Community living is complex, difficult, and needs a lot of openness, deep listening, and negotiation.”



    “In the Buddhist language, there’s a teaching on letting go. So we have to really learn to let go of our own ideas of what happiness is, what success is, and to see that our individual happiness is not an individual matter, but that happiness is actually a collective matter. Like, when I’m happy, I think you’ll be happy. And when you suffer, I will also suffer. Maybe not directly, but I can feel it from you. I can also find a way to support you, though. And so, community living is a practice in itself.”



    “Our spirit is that everyone shares their opinion and we sit in a circle. So whenever we share an opinion, it’s not about ‘me’; we’re sharing it for the collective community.”



    “When Thay says, ‘We don’t need one Buddha, we need many Buddhas’, that is the heart of what is now known as distributed leadership. The

    • 1 hr 21 min
    I Have Arrived, I Am Home; What a Blessing (Episode #14)

    I Have Arrived, I Am Home; What a Blessing (Episode #14)

    Welcome to episode fourteen of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest, Zen Buddhist nun Sister Jina (Sister Chân Diệu Nghiêm). A former abbess of Lower Hamlet in Plum Village, since 1990, Sister Jina has been one of Thich Nhat Hanh’s first European monastic disciples. Together, these three delve into what it means to arrive home in our bodies, in the present moment. And what is the present moment?



    Sister Jina talks about her path to meditation – from yoga teacher in County Wexford, Ireland, to Plum Village, France, via Hokyoji Temple in Japan; her new book of poetry, Moments of Joy (“Instamatic photographs of my daily life but in words”); and her thoughts on meditation after more than 30 years’ practice.She also shares further wisdom on Buddhist psychology; self-acceptance and self-healing; the importance of sangha; store consciousness (both individual and collective); the benefits on daily life of practicing meditation; guidance on the spiritual path; gladdening the mind and focusing on what’s right in the world. You’ll also find out how walking meditations can sometimes alleviate migraines. 



    Brother Phap Huu recollects moments of joy, wisdom, and support from the former abbess, while Jo tells of an unexpected encounter with a real estate agent.Informed by memories of how others touch our lives, gratitude runs through the whole conversation. By the way, what are you grateful for today?The episode ends with a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu. 







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







    List of resources 



    Sōtōhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dt%C5%8D



    Dōgen Zenjihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Dgenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Dgen



    Eihei-ji templehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eihei-ji



    D.T. Suzukihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._T._Suzuki



    The Mindfulness Bellhttps://www.mindfulnessbell.org/ 



    Ayya Khemahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayya_Khema 



    Wabi-sabihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi



    ‘Discourse on the Dharma Seal’https://plumvillage.org/sutra/discourse-on-the-dharma-seal/



    Moments of Joyhttps://www.parallax.org/product/moments-of-joy/







    Quotes



    “I have come to the right place in the right way, aware of every step I take.”



    “It’s who we are, individually and collectively, that changes the world.” 



    “The journey is the goal. It’s walking the path, it’s practicing. And to arrive in every step, every moment. It’s not, ‘I’m going to run because I want to get straight to enlightenment.’ That’s not how to get to enlightenment. In fact, enlightenment, if I’ve understood correctly, is in the present moment: to arrive in every step, to be fully present in every step, to live fully every moment.”



    “This present moment holds the past and the future.”



    “The present moment is the only moment we have. And if we realize that, we will live our lives differently.” 



    “Nowadays you hear a lot about self-compassion; I think that it’s a door that leads to full self-acceptance and to arriving home. The oneness of body and mind. My body is the home of my mind.”



    “People tend to look for the problems in life, rather than looking at what’s right.”



    “What goes into the mind, comes out of the mind.” 



    “We’re not headings, we are beings.”



    “[Plum Village in 1990] l

    • 1 hr 18 min
    Desires and Temptations: The Illusion of Happiness (Episode #13)

    Desires and Temptations: The Illusion of Happiness (Episode #13)

    Welcome to episode thirteen of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino talk about sensual pleasures, temptations, and what the Buddha had to say about these topics, 2,600 ago. They further ponder how to come back to our true selves rather than looking outside of ourselves for happiness and indulging in fame, sex, and power. And is it true that what you put in your head manifests in your daily life?  



    Brother Phap Huu reads relevant gathas from Discourse on Youth and Happiness and digs deeper into the four elements of love and the three complexes. He also talks about finding joy and happiness in a simple monastic life (do you know why monastics shave their head?); true connection; the joy of being part of a retreat for thousands of people; witnessing transformation; togetherness; becoming ‘a place of refuge’ for others.You’ll find tips on recognizing when the ego takes over, how to direct sexual energy into something wholesome, and how to not become a slave to pleasure.  



    Jo delves into spotting insecurities; breaking through the myths we create about others; letting go of inferiority and superiority complexes; humility and trust.You’ll get some journalistic tips for editing your own life. And talking of life, if you were a sunflower in a field, which one would you be?The episode ends with a meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







    List of resourcesDiscourse on Youth and Happinesshttps://plumvillage.org/library/sutras/discourse-on-youth-and-happiness/ 



    ‘Creating Gathas’https://plumvillage.org/articles/creating-gathas-mindfulness-at-play/ 



    World Economic Forum (Davos)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum Dr. Seusshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss   



    Sutrashttps://plumvillage.org/genre/sutras/ 







    Quotes



    “When we become a monk or a nun and we enter into a spiritual commitment, we are learning to let go of something, learning to put a stop to our habits, a stop to our desire. So when we shave our heads and commit ourselves to this life, it is also a sign of determination that I am ready to cut off all my friction, cut off all my desire and learn to live deeply in the present moment and be free from it.” 



    “To learn to recognize suffering, sometimes we have to learn to recognize our habit of running after pleasure.”



    “The Buddha teaches me that I am not chasing something in the future. I am learning to live deeply in the present moment because the desire that we run after can offer just a little sweetness, but much bitterness later on.”



    “When we run after pleasure, we are losing ourselves.”



    “For most of us, the truth is that we don’t know ourselves and we don’t spend the time to come back to ourselves. So we get caught in this pattern of chasing after things we think will make us happy. But ultimately, we always know that you can’t find happiness outside of yourself. That’s why this podcast is called The Way Out Is In, because it’s only by coming back to ourselves and understanding who we truly are that we can be happy.”



    “So much in life is a creation of our mind, and if we pierce it, we find truth. And I would much rather get to know someone more deeply than to have a fantasy about them.” 



    “The way you navigate in today’s world is not only internally, but you also have to take care of your connections, your environment,

    • 56 min
    Grief and Joy on a Planet in Crisis: Joanna Macy on the Best Time To Be Alive (Episode #12)

    Grief and Joy on a Planet in Crisis: Joanna Macy on the Best Time To Be Alive (Episode #12)

    Welcome to episode twelve of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest, eco-philosopher Joanna Macy.A scholar of Buddhism, systems theory, and deep ecology, Joanna Macy, PhD, is one of the most respected voices in the movements for peace, justice, and ecology. She interweaves her scholarship with learnings from six decades of activism, has written twelve books, and teaches an empowerment approach known as the Work That Reconnects. 



    Together, all three discuss: the relevance of Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings to the crises we face today as a species; the energy of simplicity; truth-telling and the power of facing the truth; the grounds for transformation; impermanence; interbeing. Joanna recollects what Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings and activism have meant to her, and shares a special meeting with him in the early 1980s, during a UN peace conference, when Thay read one of his essential poems in public for the first time. Joanna’s activism, forged during many campaigns, and her practice and study of Theravada Buddhism, shine through in her priceless advice about facing the current social and ecological crisis, grieving for all creation, and finding the power to deal with the heartbreaking present-day reality. She also addresses how grief and joy can coexist in one person, and how to be present for life even in the midst of struggle.Their conversations will take you from the current “great unravelling” and the “gift of death” to Rilke’s poetry; the magic of love as solution; active hope; the contemporary relevance of the ancient Prophecy of the Shambhala Warriors; the possibility of a “great turning”. And can you guess her aspirations at 92? Could a swing be just the perfect place to discuss the evanescence of life?Brother Phap Huu shares a lesson in patience from Thay, and adds to the teachings of touching suffering, recognizing and embracing the truth, consumption of consciousness, finding balance, and smiling at life. 



    Jo reads a special translation of one of Rainer Maria Rilke’s Duino Elegies, expands upon some of Joanna’s core books and philosophies, and recollects “irreplaceable” advice about overwork.  



    The episode ends with a guided meditation by Joanna Macy.







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







    List of resources  



    Lotus in a Sea of Fire (1967)https://plumvillage.org/books/1967-hoa-sen-trong-bien-lua-lotus-in-a-sea-of-fire/



    Call Me By My True Nameshttps://plumvillage.org/books/call-me-by-my-true-names/



    Celestial Bodhisattvashttps://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/buddhas-and-bodhisattvas-celestial-buddhas-and-bodhisattvas



    Rainer Maria Rilkehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke 



    Duino Elegieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duino_Elegies 



    The Book of Hourshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Hours 



    Satipaṭṭhānahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana 



    World as Lover, World as Selfhttps://www.parallax.org/product/world-as-lover-world-as-self-a-guide-to-living-fully-in-turbulent-times/



    ‘The Shambhala Warrior’https://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=236 



    The Shambhala Warrior Prophecyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14dbM93FALE 



    Bardohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo 



    ‘Entering the Bardo’https://emergencemagazine.org/op_ed/entering-the-bardo/ 



    Maitreyahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya 

    • 1 hr 22 min
    High Fashion to a Higher Purpose: A Zen Nun’s Journey (Episode #11)

    High Fashion to a Higher Purpose: A Zen Nun’s Journey (Episode #11)

    Welcome to episode eleven of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest novice Zen Buddhist nun Sister Hien Tam of the New Hamlet in Plum Village. This time, they explore monastic life: why do people want to become monastics? What happens between aspiring to be a monastic and actually becoming one? And what’s it like to live in a monastery? 



    The two monastics talk about: their own journeys; engaging in society as nuns and monks; the secret to a long-lived community like Plum Village (40 years old next year!); individualism; transformation; conflict; practices that support the community. 



    Sister Hien Tam tells the story of her pre-monastic life as a busy, restless, consumerist TV writer in Korea, and the unplanned visit to Plum Village which led to her becoming an aspirant and then a nun in less than three years. She candidly shares about saying goodbye to “external expressions”; her family’s reaction; ditching her “fancy”, colourful clothes for the brown robe; following clear guidelines; sharing a room with many sisters after having lived her life alone; dealing with habit energies; inner beauty; the “Buddha company”.



    In addition, Brother Phap Huu discusses moderation; aspirations; inferiority complexes; loving clothes as a monk; learning to live a simpler and happy life; growing up in a monastic community; the practices of Shining Light and Beginning Anew; observing and training new aspirants; community work days.



    Jo shares his own formula for a ‘mini’ Shining Light in individual relationships, and having to face his own suffering when the distractions of the outside world fade away.Finally, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation on generating peace.







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resources 



    Plum Village Communityhttps://plumvillage.org/



    ‘Becoming a Monastic’https://plumvillage.org/about/becoming-a-monastic/ 



    Beginning Anew: Four Steps to Restoring Communicationhttps://plumvillage.org/books/beginning-anew/ 



    How To: ‘Begin Anew’https://plumvillage.org/articles/begin-anew/ 



    Bodhicittahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhicitta



    ‘Slow Down, Rest, and Heal: The Spirit of the Rains Retreat’https://plumvillage.org/podcast/slow-down-rest-and-heal-the-spirit-of-the-rains-retreat/ 



    Sanghahttps://plumvillage.org/about/international-sangha-directory/ 



    ‘Deciding to Become a Monastic in Plum Village’https://wkup.org/become-monastic-plum-village/ 



    ‘Life as Monastic Aspirants in Plum Village’https://wkup.org/monastic-aspirants-plum-village/



    Quotes“Be beautiful, be yourself.”“Everyone needs a spiritual dimension in their daily life to help them maintain their balance. And within ourselves, we have this seed. We call it bodhicitta. Everyone has this. It’s called the mind of love or the mind of awakening.” 



    “As I became a monk, I learned that that is a way of engagement that we practice – not just to be peaceful and happy for ourself, but that our practice is a way of contributing to society, to those around us.”



    “I always remember Thich Nhat Hanh saying that relationships never break up out of the blue, from something major happening. It’s from the very minor drip. He talked about it like a stalagmite or a stalactite in a cave: the small drip of problems which, at the time, are very often not addressed.”



    “We share our joy and we share our success. That’s r

    • 1 hr 6 min

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