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Explore human anatomy and physiology (A&P) teaching and learning with host Kevin Patton. An experienced professor, textbook author, and mentor, Kevin is a recognized leader in A&P teaching. The A&P Professor updates science content and provides practical teaching advice. Want some ideas to supercharge your A&P course? How about some support from a fellow A&P professor? This is the podcast for you!

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Explore human anatomy and physiology (A&P) teaching and learning with host Kevin Patton. An experienced professor, textbook author, and mentor, Kevin is a recognized leader in A&P teaching. The A&P Professor updates science content and provides practical teaching advice. Want some ideas to supercharge your A&P course? How about some support from a fellow A&P professor? This is the podcast for you!

    146 Anatomy of Trust: Promoting Integrity in A&P Education | Winter Shorts

    146 Anatomy of Trust: Promoting Integrity in A&P Education | Winter Shorts

    Episode 146 of The A&P Professor podcast is one of our winter shorts, where I replay interesting segments from previous episodes. In this one, we discuss the importance of academic integrity in the Anatomy & Physiology course. We emphasize the need to incorporate discussions about integrity in the syllabus and course materials and share real-life examples of violations in the healthcare field. We highlight how dishonesty can have serious consequences and discuss strategies for prevention, such as using multiple test versions and unique topics for papers/projects. Providing examples of acceptable practices and discouraging unethical behavior foster a culture of integrity. We invite listeners to contribute their own strategies for promoting academic integrity.
    00:00 | Introduction
    01:07 | Academic Integrity in Anatomy & Physiology
    29:39 | Modeling Professional Integrity
    38:34 | Staying Connected
     
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    Guess what? this is one of our winter shorts! Yep, that's right, it's a shorter-than-usual episode in which I present one or two, or maybe three or four, classic, evergreen segments from previous episodes that are remastered, reconstituted, and recycled for your listening and learning pleasure. But mainly it's to give me a break for self-care over the holiday season. We'll be back to our regular programming in late January.
     
    Academic Integrity in Anatomy & Physiology 28.5 minutes
    One way to approach “the cheating issue” in our courses is to promote a culture of academic honesty from the start. But how do we do that? Kevin shares some practical tips you can use for a comprehensive approach to creating and maintaining a culture of professional and academic integrity in your A&P courses (or any courses, really). This segment was first heard in Episode 25.
    ★ Promoting Academic Integrity in Our Course | Episode 25 (the original broadcast of this segment)
    ★ What the Best College Teachers Do (the Ken Bain book mentioned in this episode) geni.us/8AoG9QY
    ★ Syllabus Episodes (includes the syllabus episode mentioned several times in this podcast)
    ★ Academic Integrity (A special topic page at The A&P Professor website; includes additional information and links to resources)
    ★ Why be honest? (about academic integrity; for students) AandP.info/bed
    ★ Kevin’s Academic Integrity statement (This is a statement I have used in my course syllabi. You are welcome to adapt it according to your own course and institution’s needs. It’s an example to get you thinking about actively promoting honesty.) my-ap.us/2NiIQer
    ★ Kevin’ Academic Integrity Case Study handout/activity (This document is an example of an in-class activity that I use to promote discussion of academic integrity. It’s a handout used for small group discussions. You can adapt it to fit your needs, per the attribution/share-alike license enclosed in the document.) my-ap.us/2MRQv6t
    ★ Frank O’Neill @growgraymatter (Turn on your “Frank O’Neill filter.”) twitter.com/growgraymatter
    ★ Using copyrightable materials in teaching (Some good practical advice from the University of Minnesota Libraries. But ask your own librarians for help. And don’t forget, I’ve got an upcoming episode with an expert!) my-ap.us/2Ls92Si
    ★ Testing a

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    145 A Tongue Twister's Guide to Mastering Anatomy Pronunciation | Winter Shorts

    145 A Tongue Twister's Guide to Mastering Anatomy Pronunciation | Winter Shorts

    Episode 145 of The A&P Professor podcast is one of our winter shorts, where I replay interesting segments from previous episodes. In this one, you'll hear about the trials and tribulations of teaching and learning pronunciations of anatomy and physiology terminology. Including why the instructor is ALWAYS correct!
    00:00 | Introduction
    01:07 | Variations in Anatomy & Physiology Pronunciations
    10:24 | Say Anatomy & Physiology Terms Out Loud
    20:30  | Staying Connected
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    Guess what? this is one of our winter shorts! Yep, that's right, it's a shorter-than-usual episode in which I present one or two, or maybe three or four, classic, evergreen segments from previous episodes that are remastered, reconstituted, and recycled for your listening and learning pleasure. But mainly it's to give me a break for self-care over the holiday season. We'll be back to our regular programming in late January.
     
    Variations in Anatomy & Physiology Pronunciations 9.5 minutes
    Pronunciations in any language differ for a variety of reasons. This happens in A&P terminology, too. This segment was first heard in Episode 16.
    ★ How Do YOU Pronounce It? | Episode 16 (the original broadcast of this episode)
    ★ How do you pronounce it? (Kevin’s blog post on this topic) AandP.info/g1a★ Dorland’s Medical Dictionary (a respected standard) geni.us/HO3H
    ★ 4 ways to correctly pronounce anatomy terms (brief article with video from Kenhub) AandP.info/jj7
    ★ Brief Atlas of the Human Body and Quick Guide to the Language of Science and Medicine for Anatomy & Physiology (packaged with the Patton Anatomy & Physiology text, but available separately, includes pronunciation guidance) geni.us/qN4E
    ★ Kenneth S. Saladin (I mention Ken’s workshops on pronunciation) geni.us/ZJBk
    ★ Flashcards: Hidden Powers | Episode 58 and More Flashcards: Hidden Powers Unleashed | Episode 59 (using flashcards to learn pronunciation)
    Please rate & review The A&P Professor—it helps others decide whether to give us a try! 😁
    ★ RateThisPodcast.com/theAPprofessor
     
    Say Anatomy & Physiology Terms Out Loud 10 minutes
    It sounds wacky, for sure, but students reading complex terms out loud before reading the textbook can helps speed up reading and improve comprehension. This segment was first heard in Episode 20.
    ★ Reading A&P Terms Out Loud Helps Reading Comprehension | Episode 20 (the original broadcast of this segment)
    ★ Reading Information Aloud to Yourself Improves Memory (article from Neuroscience News) AandP.info/hln
    ★ This time it’s personal: the memory benefit of hearing oneself (journal article in Memory) AandP.info/gg9
    ★ Reading Terms in A&P (post in The A&P Professor blog; has additional links to resources)AandP.info/qr8
    ★ Reading Scientific Terms (post in The A&P Student blog; you can provide this link to students) AandP.info/q5v
    ★ Word Lists Help Students Build Their Mental Lexicon (post in the Patton Anatomy & Physiology blog) AandP.info/1rq
    ★ Say It Out Loud 18 Times (post in o-log-y blog)AandP.info/eaq
     
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    144 Dissecting the Kenhub Atlas: Insights from Editor Mike Pascoe

    144 Dissecting the Kenhub Atlas: Insights from Editor Mike Pascoe

    Mike Pascoe joins host Kevin Patton in Episode 144 to chat about Mike's experience in editing the new Kenhub Atlas of Human Anatomy. We go behind the scenes to see how this new kind of anatomy atlas was developed. Let's see how those decisions get made and how the learning perspective gets incorporated into anatomy manuals. And we explore diverse representation in anatomy images and why we won't find any eponyms in this atlas. We also have a brief remembrance of our friend David Allard.
    00:00 | Introduction
    00:45 | Remembering David Allard
    04:25 | Introducing Mike Pascoe
    06:12 | A New Take on the Human Atlas
    19:00 | Debriefing and Predictions Ahead
    19:55 | Creating Books
    34:25 | Your New Thing
    35:44 | More Features of the New Atlas
    47:27 | Staying Connected
     
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    The light of the heart is hidden in a drop of blood. (Rumi)
     
    Remembering David Allard 3.5 minutes
    In this segment, Kevin reflects on the recent passing of a friend and colleague, David Allard of Texas A&M University-Texarkana, who was an exceptional educator and human being. Kevin finds inspiration from David's generosity and commitment to his students and peers.
    ★ Muscle: A Gripping Story by Roy Meals | TAPP 142 (mentioned in this segment)
    ★ The One Teaching Strategy That Will Fix Your Anatomy & Physiology Course | TAPP 143 (where I talk about generosity in teaching)
    ★ Longtime Texarkana College and Texas A&M University-Texarkana biology professor David Allard dies (from Texarkana Gazette) AandP.info/qll
    ★ Dr David Allard Memorial Service 11-30-23 youtu.be/Gi2ZunUtMxk
    ★ Two new species of sand-burrowing amphipods of the genus Haustorius Müller, 1775 (Amphipoda: Haustoriidae) from the northwestern Gulf of Mexico (journal article in Zootaxa by David Allard's former student Zachary Hancock, who named one of the new species after David [Haustorius allardi]) AandP.info/rzp
    ★ Dr. David & Ellen Allard Endowment Scholarship (in case you want to make a donation in David's memory) tamut.edu/give/index.html
    Please rate & review The A&P Professor—it helps others decide whether to give us a try! 😁
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    Introducing Mike Pascoe 2 minutes
    In this segment, we introduce the guest for the episode, Mike Pascoe, who is an associate professor of anatomy at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus. Mike is involved in developing and delivering anatomy curricula to various student groups and has a research interest in innovative learning approaches. He's the editor of a new learning resource, the Kenhub Atlas of Human Anatomy.
    ★ Here is a single link with everything about the new atlas in it: linktr.ee/kenhubatlas
    ★ Additional links:
    ★ ★ www.kenhub.com/en/atlas-of-human-anatomy
    ★ ★ www.goodreads.com/book/show/200471864
    ★ The A&P Professor Book Club (our own recommendation of the new atlas) theAPprofessor.org/kenhub-atlas
     
    A New Take on the Human Atlas 13 minutes
    Editor Mike Pascoe describes his new Kenhub Atlas of Human Anatomy. First, we look at the relationship of the innovative, disruptive Kenhub website and this new print manual. Mike mentions how Kenhub often ranks high in web searches and how they aim to make their atlas concise and lead readers to a l

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    143 The One Teaching Strategy That Will Fix Your Anatomy & Physiology Course

    143 The One Teaching Strategy That Will Fix Your Anatomy & Physiology Course

    In episode 143 of The A&P Professor podcast for anatomy and physiology faculty, host Kevin Patton uncovers the super-secret, single, ultimate teaching strategy you need to keep your course tuned up and effective. He also revisits the "out there" transducer model of the brain and suggests a connection with a recent discovery supporting quantum wave activity in brain cell microtubules. Yes, quantum waves in the microtubules. Kevin also clarifies and expands on those wacky "extra" courses he described in Episodes 140 and 141.
    00:00 | Introduction
    00:51 | Clarifying Kevin's Wacky Supplemental Courses
    15:50 | Quantum Activity in Brain Microtubules?
    28:15 | Could There Be More Than One Strategy?
    34:29 | The TAPP Hotline
    35:11 | There Really Is Only One Strategy
    48:00 | Staying Connected
    ★ If you cannot see or activate the audio player, go to: theAPprofessor.org/podcast-episode-143.html
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    Clarifying Kevin's Wacky Supplemental Courses 15 minutes
    In this segment, Kevin clarifies nuances from Episodes 140 & 141. He dives into the evolution of his "wacky grading" approach and reflects on the significance of end-of-semester debriefings—then explores the impact of badges within a courses. Kevin also uncovers the value of persistence, confidence-building, and teacher generosity.
    ★ A Pre-A&P Course Improves Student Success in Anatomy & Physiology | TAPP 140
    ★ Study Courses Supercharge Anatomy & Physiology Success | TAPP 141
    ★ Ungrading With Standards-Based Grading | A Chat With Staci Johnson | TAPP 106
    ★ Course Materials in AP 1 Supplement in Ep 141  my-ap.us/AP1suppCourseMaterial
    ★ End-of-Term Reviews Help Keep Your Course on Track | Episode 17 (introduces the idea of debriefing at the end of the semester)
    ★ Still Moving Our Course to Remote| Episode 65 (about being present to students)
    Please rate & review The A&P Professor—it helps others decide whether to give us a try! 😁
    ★ RateThisPodcast.com/theAPprofessor
     
    Quantum Activity in Brain Microtubules? 12.5 minutes
    In a previous episode, Kevin introduced the "transducer model" of the brain, comparing it to a mobile phone accessing external servers. In this segment, he briefly explains the "Orch OR" theory that proposes consciousness occurs as quantum waves in the microtubules of brain neurons. Quantum properties such as superposition could explain how the brain works as a transducer. Recent investigation counters the argument that quantum waves would break down in the warm, wet microtubules.
    ★ Thinking New Thoughts about the Human Brain | TAPP 139
    ★ Consciousness in the universe: A review of the ‘Orch OR’ theory (Section 5.1. Quantum computing in the brain from an article in the journal Physics of Life Reviews) AandP.info/vzy
    ★ Sir Roger Penrose & Dr. Stuart Hameroff: CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE PHYSICS OF THE BRAIN (YouTube video; more than you ever wanted to know about this topic) AandP.info/w76
    ★ Your Very Own Consciousness Can Interact With the Whole Universe, Scientists Believe (recent report from Popular Mecanics) AandP.info/eqg
    ★ Electronic Energy Migration in Microtubules (from the journal ACS Central Science) AandP.info/1su
    ★ Quantum Physics Could Finally Explain Consciousness, Scientists Say (a previous report from Popular Mechanics) AandP.info/mjm
     
    Could There Be More Than One Strategy? 6 m

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    142 Muscle: A Gripping Story by Roy Meals

    142 Muscle: A Gripping Story by Roy Meals

    Get pumped up for Episode 142, where we have the honor of hosting Dr. Roy Meals, the musculoskeletal maestro! 💪 We're gonna flex our curiosity muscles and explore every nook and cranny of his latest masterpiece, Muscle: The Gripping Story of Strength and Movement. This episode's so dynamic, you might need a protein shake afterward!
    0:00:00 | Introduction 0:01:13 | Re-Introducing Dr. Roy Meals 0:04:08 | Muscle Strain & Why We Train 0:13:53 | What Sword Swallowing Teaches Us About Muscle 0:24:49 | Muscle Stories: Learning Should Be Fun 0:38:48 | Staying Connected ★ If you cannot see or activate the audio player, go to: theAPprofessor.org/podcast-episode-142.html
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    Muscles are in a most intimate and peculiar sense the organs of the will. They have built all the roads, cities and machines in the world, written all the books, spoken all the words, and, in fact done everything that man has accomplished with matter. Character might be in a sense defined as a plexus of motor habits. (G. Stanley Hall)
     
    Re-Introducing Dr. Roy Meals 3 minutes
    This segment reacquaints us with Dr. Roy Meals, who previously joined us for a chat about his book about bones back in Episode 82. An orthopedic surgeon and clinical educator, has been turning his talents to creating interesting books about the skeletomuscular aspects of human anatomy and physiology.
    ★ Roy A. Meals (biography) my-ap.us/2UyHrpy
    ★ Bones: Inside and Out—A Chat with Dr. Roy Meals | TAPP 82 (previous episode with Roy Meals)
    ★ The A&P Professor Book Club | Bones: Inside and Out (read a review, link to booksellers, earn a credential!)
    ★ Doctors Demystify (Dr. Meals's online mini-courses) AandP.info/mlj
    ★ Thanks to listener Dr. David Allard, who started me on the path to connecting with Dr. Meals.
    Please rate & review The A&P Professor—it helps others decide whether to give us a try! 😁
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    Muscle Strain & Why We Train 9.5 minutes
    Join Kevin Patton and Dr. Roy Meals in this segment as they reunite and discuss Roy's new book about muscles. They begin by unravelling the mysteries of muscle health and strength. In this captivating conversation, you'll learn why muscles don't actually "tear" and discover the multifaceted benefits of strength training. Get ready to challenge your preconceptions!
    ★ Muscle: The Gripping Story of Strength and Movement (the book we're discussing in this episode) geni.us/Bv5fpQU
    ★ The A&P Professor Book Club | Musle: The Gripping Story of Strength and Movement (read a review, link to booksellers, earn a credential!)
    ★ The Silent Teacher Special | Episode 49 (where Kevin first discusses training to be a body donor)
     
    What Sword Swallowing Teaches Us About Muscle 11 minutes
    In this segment, Roy and Kevin delve into the unusual art of sword swallowing and how it relates to the role of smooth muscles in the body. Dr. Meals also highlights the underappreciated significance of smooth muscles and their prevalence throughout the body. The conversation touches on the cardiac muscle's incredible durability, as well as the remarkable adaptations of tails in various animals.
    ★ How to Survive Swallowing a Sword (brief video on what is meant by "sword swallowing") AandP.info/v0v
    ★ Hadji Ali (clip from a Laurel & Hardy movie showing famed spouter [regurgitation artist], an examp

    • 40 min
    141 Study Courses Supercharge Anatomy & Physiology Success

    141 Study Courses Supercharge Anatomy & Physiology Success

    Get ready for a mind-bending 😲 rendezvous with Kevin Patton in Episode 141, where he continues to spill the beans on his top-secret recipe for student triumph. 🏆 Brace yourself for this next adventure on his whirlwind tour of revolutionizing A&P 1 education, as we dissect the art of identifying student pain points, personalizing preparation, and serving up the kind of mentorship they've been yearning for!
    0:00:00 | Introduction
    0:00:45 | One of Two Success Courses
    0:09:48 | Setting Up the Supplement Course
    0:18:44 | Structure of Class Sessions
    0:40:17 | Grading
    0:42:45 | Does an A&P Supplement Work?
    0:54:21 | Parting Wisdom
    1:14:46 | Staying Connected
     
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    Help others achieve their dreams and you will achieve yours. (Les Brown)
     
    One of Two Success Courses 9 minutes
    As we begin to unlock student success strategies with Kevin Patton in episode 141, he unveils his A&P One Supplement course, dedicated to honing essential learning skills. Delve into his reasoning behind offering a separate course, distinct from the Pre-A&P course discussed in episode 140, and distinct from the popular Supplemental Instruction (SI) , model, and gain insights into his innovative approach to enhancing A&P student performance.
    ★  A Pre-A&P Course Improves Student Success in Anatomy & Physiology | TAPP 140 (part one of this two-part series, explains the purpose of the two courses and give details about Pre-A&P)
    ★ Success Supplements (an on-demand seminar summarizing these two courses)
    ★ BIO 242 Anatomy and Physiology Supplement (college catalog description of course; scroll down to BIO 242) AandP.info/puj
    ★ Anatomy and Physiology 1 Supplement (an archived version of the syllabus used in 2012, the last time I taught the course) AandP.info/22z
    ★ Supplemental Instruction (Wikipedia's description of SI, a peer learning model that is NOT the same as the course described in this episode) AandP.info/oim
    Please rate & review The A&P Professor—it helps others decide whether to give us a try! 😁
    ★ RateThisPodcast.com/theAPprofessor
     
    Setting Up the Supplement Course 9 minutes
    In this segment, we uncover the logistical puzzle of A&P supplement courses. Dive into the tug-of-war between limited lab availability and the need for hands-on learning—and explore creative solutions for fostering student engagement.
    ★ Anatomy and Physiology 1 Supplement (an archived version of the syllabus used in 2012, the last time I taught the course) AandP.info/22z
    ★ Course Materials for AP 1 Supplement (I didn't have time to list the materials we used in this episode; this is that section from the archived syllabus) https://my-ap.us/AP1suppCourseMaterial
    ★ End-of-Term Reviews Help Keep Your Course on Track | Episode 17 (introduces the idea of debriefing at the end of the semester)
     
    Structure of Class Sessions 21.5 minutes
    In this segment, Kevin Patton details his A&P Supplement course structure. The class employs active learning, beginning with addressing students' trouble spots through discussion and question cards. Various study techniques like flashcards and concept mapping are explored. The need-for-speed game enhances tissue and specimen identification skills, while clickers facilitate group lea

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