Law and Chaos Liz Dye

Liz talks to podcaster Andrew Torrez about Trump’s Manhattan prosecution and the debacle at the Supreme Court Thursday when Trump made his magical, perpetual, presidential immunity argument.
 
Links:
Arizona v. Ward — Indictment
https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment.pdf 
People v. Trump — Transcripts
https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/ 
People v. Trump — Evidence
https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/Evidence/ 
Trump  v. US — SCOTUS Docket
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-939.html 
SCOTUS oral argument
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/23-939
Trump DC MTD Presidential immunity
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.74.0_3.pdf
SCOTUS docket in US v. Trump (DC)
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/trump-v-united-states-3/
DC Circuit Opinion
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/1AC5A0E7090A350785258ABB0052D942/$file/23-3228-2039001.pdf
Trump SCOTUS Brief
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/303418/20240319150454815_23-939%20-%20Brief%20for%20Petitioner.pdf
US SCOTUS Opposition
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/306999/20240408191803801_United%20States%20v.%20Trump%20final%20for%20filing.pdf
Trump Reply Brief
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/307578/20240415133854183_USSC%2023-939%20-%20Reply%20Brief%20of%20Petitioner.pdf
Constitutional Scholars Amicus
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/306994/20240408102651774_Trump%20v.%20US%20CAC%20Scholars%20Brief%2023-929.pdf
Marbury v. Madison
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/5/137/#tab-opinion-1958607
 
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Trump’s first criminal trial gets underway in Manhattan, even as he fights to get the court to accept his hinky bond in the civil fraud case. 
 
Links:
 
NYAG Opposition to Trump/Knight Surety Bond
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=E/oR7WnxPeT2tSnZpOGlBA== 
 
Trump Civil Trial NY, Selected Docs at Just Security
https://www.justsecurity.org/89120/clearinghouse-new-york-attorney-general-corporate-fraud-case/ 
 
Trump False Business Records Case, Selected Docs at Just Security
https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/ 
 
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Hey guys, it’s Liz Dye, and we’ve got some big, exciting changes coming your way next week. It’s all still in process, but I can tell you now that we’ll be shifting our podcast drops from Monday/Friday to Tuesday/Friday and ramping up the written content, as well. So, heads up, the next show will be in your feed Tuesday, not Monday. 
 
But today, I’m so excited to talk to a personal hero of mine, Marcy Wheeler. This woman is relentless! If you want to understand what’s going on with the Biden prosecution, you have got to read her site emptywheel.net. But before we get into the show I think we need to spend a bit of time discussing the cast of characters and timeline here, because if you’re not up to your eyeballs in it all the time, the details can get a little fuzzy. And I’m going to put the text of this intro in the show notes with a million links, for you to follow along if you like. So, here goes.
 
President Biden’s son Hunter has battled addiction for much of his adult life. He’s also done some questionable things to earn money to support his family. Those things generally fall under the category of distasteful but legal, not to say quotidian. It’s a dirty, little NOT AT ALL secret that DC runs on access, and family members routinely market themselves as conduits to their powerful relatives. E.g., Ginni Thomas, who is nutty as a fruitcake, and collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from people with a stake in shaping the Supreme Court.
 
In 2019, as Biden was emerging as a candidate to take on Trump, the Republican smear machine was looking for dirt. And so they turned to the same dirt merchants that managed to muddy up Hillary Clinton. Clinton was dogged for years with allegations that she’d “sold America’s uranium stockpiles to Russia” to benefit a donor to the Clinton Global Initiative. That story was ridiculous — she was Secretary of State at a time when the State Dept was one of eight agencies that had to approve the sale of a mining company called Uranium One to a Russian conglomerate. And the supposed CGI donor who would have benefited, had sold his shares before the deal was approved. But that didn’t matter to Peter Schweizer, a Breitbart editor and Steve Bannon ally who wrote a book called “Clinton Cash” and laundered this nonsense into the collective consciousness. And in 2018, he did the same thing with Joe Biden. 
 
As VP, Biden had made a speech in 2015 pressing the Ukrainian government to fire a corrupt prosecutor named Viktor Shokin. It was the consensus of the entire US government, as well as the entire international establishment, that Shokin had to go if Ukraine was ever going to get its house in order. Nevertheless, Schweizer wrote a book called “Secret Empires” in which he alleged that Biden was unilaterally forcing out this prosecutor to protect a Ukrainian oil company called Burisma which employed his son as a board member. I wrote about it at the time as Ukranium One. And if you hear me shittalking NYT reporter Ken Vogel, that’s why. Because when Rudy Giuliani started flogging this nonsense about Burisma, Vogel treated it as if it might be true. And it was very clearly NEVER true. It was Uranium One all over again, and it’s been the same shit for five years now. And when Trump pressured Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to “do us a favor though,” this is what he wanted. He wanted the Ukrainian government to say it was investigating this bullshit as if it were real.
 
So in 2019 Rudy Giuliani waddled off to Ukraine in search of proof of this concocted story, where he got fed Russian propaganda by a Russian spy named Andrey Derkach, who was later sanctioned by Trump’s own Treasury Department for using that Russian propaganda to influence the 2020 election. But Trump didn’t give a shit about that, and neither did Bill Barr, they set up Scott Brady, the US Attorney in Pittsburgh, as Rudy’s personal dis

On the eve of Trump’s first criminal trial, Liz sits down with Forbes reporter Zach Everson for a trip down memory lane, recounting the breathtaking corruption of Trump’s first term. Plus, Texas AG Ken Paxton loses a round in DC against Media Matters.
 
Links:
Zach Everson’s Substack on the Trump Hotel
https://www.1100pennsylvania.com/ 
How a Nigerian Presidential Candidate Hired a Trump Lobbyist and Ended Up in Trump’s Lobby
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/trumpinc/episodes/trump-inc-nigerian-presidential-candidate-hired-trump-lobbyist-trumps-lobby 
Previously Obscure Attorney Lands Big Payday Representing Trump In High-Profile Lawsuits
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2024/03/24/previously-obscure-attorney-lands-big-payday-representing-trump-in-high-profile-lawsuits/?sh=289be08523dd 
MMFA v. Paxton [Docket via Court Listener]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68166936/media-matters-for-america-v-paxton/ 
 
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Liz talks to journalist Chris Geidner about the lawless Fifth Circuit, which is now snatching cases back from other Circuits — and even from their own District Courts — in a mad rush to stop the Biden administration from protecting workers and consumers. 
 
Links:
https://www.lawdork.com/
The Fifth Circuit's lawlessness is now spreading from California to D.C.
https://www.lawdork.com/p/fifth-circuit-venue-nlrb-spacex-cfpb-chamber 
Chamber of Commerce v. CFPB (Fifth Circuit Docket via Court Listener)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68371345/chamber-of-commerce-v-cfpb/
Chamber of Commerce v. CFPB (Trial Docket via Court Listener)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68319595/chamber-of-commerce-of-the-united-states-of-america-v-consumer-financial/ 
In re: Space Exploration Technologies (Fifth Circuit Docket via Court Listener)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68274955/in-re-space-exploration-technologies/
Space Exploration Technologies Corp. v. NLRB (Trial Docket via Court Listener)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68136196/space-exploration-technologies-corp-v-national-labor-relations-board/ 
 
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This weekend Donald Trump compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Liz talks with Lawfare’s Anna Bower, who lives out of a suitcase covering the Trump trials beat, to see if she agrees. Plus, WTF is going on with Trump’s bond in the New York civil fraud trial?
 
Links:
 
Trump’s Lawyers Told the Court That No One Would Give Him a Bond. Then He Got a Lifeline, but They Didn’t Tell the Judges.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-bond-disclosure-appeals-court-hankey 
 
Businessman behind Trump's NY bond says he charged him a 'low fee' 
https://www.reuters.com/legal/businessman-behind-trumps-ny-bond-says-he-charged-him-low-fee-2024-04-05/
 
US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ 
 
People of NY v. Trump [Court docs via Just Security]
https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/ 
 
State of GA v. Trump [Court docs via Just Security]
https://www.justsecurity.org/89123/clearinghouse-georgia-election-interference-case/ 
 
Special Counsel Threatens To Go To 11th Circuit, Reminds Judge Cannon What Happened The Last Time She Tried This Shit
https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/special-counsel-threatens-to-go-to-11th-circuit-reminds-judge-cannon-what-happened-the-last-time-she-tried-this-shit/ 
 
Trump NY Bond Just As Kosher As His Financial Statements
https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/trump-ny-bond-just-as-kosher-as-his-financial-statements/ 



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