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Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner that will help you grow disciples and the local church through leadership, discipleship and mission.

Ordinary Radicals Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner

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Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner that will help you grow disciples and the local church through leadership, discipleship and mission.

    Episode 11: Cultivating Unity in Diversity for the Modern Churches

    Episode 11: Cultivating Unity in Diversity for the Modern Churches

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speak on the topic of pursuing multiethnic health churches in your local ministry context.
    What does it even mean to bean multi-ethnic church? Why does this matter in the current 21st-century evangelical churches? The Bible seems to give a compelling vision of diversity in the kingdom of God. Here’s the breakdown of the conversation looking through the biblical lenses on the importance of diversity in unity for the Christian community.
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    The unity of the body is supposed to lead people to know who God is and not just people, but all the angels and everything.
    The people will see unity and say, “That is the power of God!”

    Churches say, “We welcome you with wide stretch arms” But when people come in a sense says, “Hey, leave your culture out the door. You will fit how we do stuff here.”

    Your church should always look like your local Walmart. It is always contextual.

    People often choose comfort over Christ.

    Is church about comfort or is it about Jesus? Is it about coming as the nations like heaven is going to be, or is it about me wanting it to look like my Facebook feed with my best friends that are my country club?

    People say that the fastest and the quickest way to grow a church is to have a specific target people group to reach. The question is, is that the healthiest and most godly way to approach it?

    People tend to desire to be around people who think like us, speak like us, and people who don’t challenge us. What does that do? This begins to create a very consumeristic church, and have we not seen consumerism in our churches?

    The majority culture has few or any close relationships with people from the culture of other racial or ethnic groups who are not like them.

    People tend not to listen to each other and those whom you disagree with. You can still listen to them and respect them. 

     
    Here are the four questions covered in the podcast;
    Introduction 
    Dr. Brandon Boatner received a doctoral degree from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary 
    1. What is Your Doctrinal Dissertation? 

    Different Doctorates Available: Example Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) Doctor of Ministry (D.Min) Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) 
    Title: Leading Anglo Churches the Biases Against Identity Formation in Effort to Create Further Opportunity for Multi-Ethnic Ministry.

    2. Why Is This Topic Important for the 21st Century Evangelical Churches? 

    The topic resonated with many pastors. 
    Question: Why is the church so separated by race?
    Matters to God (Eph 3:6-11). 



    Equipping the Saints for Work of Ministry (Eph 4:1-5). 
    Barriers broken: Racial, socio-economic and gender (Gal 3:28). 
    Assimilation vs. Accommodation. 
    Example: The lunch buffet of the salad bar. 
    Homogeneous churches fail to translate to the cultural context. 


    Practicing heaven down on earth (Rev 7:9).



    3. What Were the Results from the Research Study? 

    The final product of the study was 360 pages. 
    Various lenses: 

    Historical scope
    Scriptural understanding
    Identity formation
    Personal perception 


    Everyone has a bias. Therefore, churches have biases as well. 
    Consumeristic churches are the majority of modern churches. 
    The oxymoron of culture people lives in. Separation of racial and ethnic boundaries.

    4. How Did You Approach in Gathering All the Information? 

    Reading a lot of books: Liberals, Conservatives, Muslims, Christians, Social activities, Pastors…. Etc 
    Manifest Destiny is the historical scope in the country of America. 

    5. Conclusion: Practical Help for Listeners 

    Listen to each other. 
    Check your emotions. 
    Experience the cultures. 


    Resources mentioned in today’s podcast

    Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
    White Wake: An Honest Look at What It Means to Be White
    Manifest Destiny Gateway

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    Episode 10: Is Anxiety Sin? How Should Christians Respond?

    Episode 10: Is Anxiety Sin? How Should Christians Respond?

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on an unspoken subject of anxiety in the Christian life.
    It seems like so many young teenagers fight with anxiety these days. How could we deal with our anxiety? Where does anxiety come from?
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    “By perseverance the snail reached the ark.” – Charles Spurgeon

     The longer I’m in ministry it seems like anxiety seems to be more prevalent in ministry.

     We are not saying, “Let Go and let God” everything in life as everything is fine and dandy in life.
    Anxiety when it gets all negative, then you are in the sinful side. You are in a sense not trusting God and it controls your life.
    Just because you’re Christian it doesn’t mean that you won’t face any difficulty in life. It doesn’t mean you will only have peace, peace, peace in your life.

    The gospel doesn’t say God will only give you comfort, prosperity, protection and preservation. We just don’t find that anywhere in the Bible.

    Anxiety = Emotions having control over us and Lord over us.
    As people, we question our insecurity in God (foundation in Christ) that turns to anxiety.
    The fruit of your life reveals the root of your heart.
    You can change all your actions and you want, if you don’t change the thoughts and heart, it just won’t work. That will change the outside.

    The Christian life is often about dethroning yourself from your own life.

    Anxiety and fear are the both side of the same coin. Those stem out of “Worry”.
    Prayer is the cure to worry and solution to our anxiety.

    Don’t make prayer your last chance, make prayer your first choice.


     
    Here are the four fundamental questions to raise and ponder on the doctrine of the Church as we look into the scriptures on this very topic;
    1. What is Anxiety?   

    “Come to, all those who are weary and burden, and I will give you rest.” (Matt 11:28-30).
    Anxiety is the number one prescribed issue by secular psychologist / counselors.
    Anxiety could be in medical terms the following

    Insomnia,
    Erratic heartbeat,
    Panic attack
    Fear of losing control,


    Disclaimer

    Not professional state license counselors.
    Not stress free from all of life.
    Not all anxiety is bad. Some could be healthy.


    Anxiety vs. Concern? Biblical Examples.

    Negative: “Do not be anxious for nothing” (Phil 4:7).
    Positive: “But I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you.” (Phil 2:19)


    Anxiety also can be interchangeable with “fear”.
    Emotions are great indicator but ought not be our dictator.

    2. Where does Anxiety Come From?  

    World without sin? Where no one was sad, and nothing was bad (Genesis 2:4-24).
    Anxiety is the fallen nature of sin that has been corrupted (Genesis 3:1-24).
    “The seed of Adam” The death through Adam (Rom 5:12-21).
    Security is lied within the foundation of God. Turn away? You’re in anxiety.
    Biblical terms for anxiety/fear

    Craving of the heart (Idolatry)
    Self-gratification (Vertical vs. Horizontal connection)
    Fear of men (Ed Welch: People are big, God is small).


    The inner man within the heart of man (Matt 15:19).

    Example: Panic attack? Not behavioral modification to not get to the heart of the problem. What is the core issue here?


    Decision making point: Choose God? Or choose Self?
    True Transformation: Change of Action? No, change of thought and the heart.
    “I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer who live, but Christ lives in me.” (Gal 2:20).
    Prayer? “Help me in my life.” There is an ownership there. No, it is Christ’s life.

    Worry = Anxiety + Fear.
    How to conquer worry? Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Shift the burden of life: “I am going to take control over this life.” Self-sovereignty.
    Acknowledgement of saying, “God I don’t need you in my life. I got this”


    Anxiety can be multiplied by your own experience and circu

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    Episode 9: A Healthy Church is a Singing Church

    Episode 9: A Healthy Church is a Singing Church

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on following the previous episode on singing in the church!
    So, why don’t people in your church don’t sing anymore? How should we respond to this dilemma? People may feel discomfort in singing because of various different reasons.
    This episode will talk about practical steps in order to reform back into a healthy singing church.
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    We won’t have youth ministry in heaven, we won’t have evangelism in eternity, but we will have worship with God forever.
    Part of moving from the Word of God is that song! You always have a song in your heart.

    Music have been constrained to a Sunday morning event rather than a lifestyle.

    The silence is not a beautiful thing. Our off-tune singing is far more beautiful to God than our silence voices that we hold back.
    Singing is like our macaroni necklace that we offer to God. God looks to us and says, “Thank you. I love your macaroni necklace. I’ll take it.” It is an offering of worship to the Lord.

    The second most given command in the Bible is to sing.

    We don’t sing because we primarily we like to sing, or we stay quiet because primarily we do not like to sing.
    Worship is not done grudgingly, but because it brings glory, adoration and delight to our Savior Jesus Christ.
    Passive mentality: “We are here to see and receive the religious goods and services of people.”
    People have become passive spectators rather than active participants in the meaningful ministry of the mission of Jesus Christ.

    When people don’t sing, they are numbing themselves to the commands of God.

    Worship is not always joy, joy, joy or happy, happy, happy. Reflect the scriptures.
    Song selection have to be more than the three people we care most; I, me, myself.
    The Psalmist: You want to know the attribute of God? Go to the psalms.
    The worship set must be biblically saturated, gospel-driven, and kingdom minded songs.

    Show me your song list and I will show you where their theology lies.


     
    Here are the five important biblical solution to creating a healthy church that becomes more a singing church.
    1. Singing is So Much than What We Do. Singing is Who We Are (Psa 139:14).

    Worship is the ultimately priority of the church.

    Praise & Exaltation: God created man for this very reason.
    “Chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever” (Westminster Catechism)
    “Let the Word of God dwell richly in you richly in all wisdom and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” (Col 3:16).
    Narrative Account: Moses crossing the sea (Exo 15:1-21).


    God is far less concern about the tunefulness of ability. God is far more concern with the integrity of the heart.

    Subjective Reality: Worship is the matter of the heart, rather than the lips.
    Macaroni example: A child makes macaroni necklace for mom and dad. How much more with our heavenly Father?
    “Every nation, from all tribes and people and languages” (Rev 7:9).
    “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty!” (Isa 6:3).



    2. Worship is a Command: We are Commanded to Worship God.  

    Singing is Our Prayer unto the Lord.

    “O come, let us worship the Lord” (Psa 95:6).
    To sing is the second most commanded task in scripture.
    Singing is not primarily the reason of likes. Singing is obedience.
    A Church is a singing community. This makes it very unique from any other group of organization.
    New Testament Example: Paul & Silas (Acts 16:16-40).


    Worship is the overflow of the heart. Where is the Joy?

    3. The Performance vs. Participation Mentality

    Example: Structure of the Church as A Hinderance?
    Audience becomes who the people are singing to rather than the audience of One (Directly to God Himself) .
    Worship is a vertical connection rat

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    Episode 8: Why Don’t People Sing in Church? Part 1

    Episode 8: Why Don’t People Sing in Church? Part 1

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on the topic build on top from last episode, why don’t people sing in church?
    First of all, is this even true? If so, is it a big deal? Is worship done for the people? Or is worship done by the people? If you’re a listener and a worship leader, are you aware of these perhaps dilemma of connecting with your congregation?
    Well, get ready. We got a two-part breakdown on this topic.
     
    Some highlights from today’s episode;

    I don’t say that to challenge God or tempt God, but God loves you and you have to faithful in trusting Him as He always takes care of His children.
    In the 21st century, we are a music sort of people! No one will say, “I hate music!” It’s part of our culture.

    Corporate Worship: We are here not to sing by myself, but I am here to sing together as a church.

    “This is how I worship! I worship by listening” I heart that a lot from the people.
    Worship became a private thing, so I just love to listen others sing.

    How we view success of worship is different from How God sees a successful worship.


     
    Here are the five reasons people aren’t singing in your church;
    Intro: Testimony of God’s Provision
    1. Musically Illiterate: The Cultural Movement in with Music

    “I Love Lucy” The average household used to have pianos in the home.
    Hymnals: Chord Charts? Lead Sheet? Vocal (SABT)?

    2. Personal Fear: “Do I Sound Ok? Am I Prohibiting Worship?

    There’s fear jus in everything! (Example: Greeting Time).

    3. The Volume that is Too Loud: The loud music that drains the singers out.

    Corporate Worship: This is why we exist!

    4. The Unfamiliarity of Songs: Fail to Have a Common Body of Hymnody

    “Well I don’t know this song!” So the arms are crossed and not participate.
    Genre: Sunday morning worship that is not suitable? “Turned Off”
    Seasoned Members: Too many newer songs that are unfamiliar.
    Hymns with Newer Rendition: Same Lyrics? But different tune.
    Worship = Private Event?

    5. Professional Production vs. Congregational Singing “I’m just not a Musical Person!”  

    “I love to make a Joyful Noise!” But not musical, therefore I don’t sing.
    What is true worship? The grace metrics in worship

     
    Resources mentioned in today’s podcast

    The Baptist Hymnal
    To Avoid Problems with Lyric Slides, Innovative Church Prints Out Songs and Compiles Them into Book.
    Episode 7: The Worship Wars
    The Majesty’s Men

     
    Feedback
    If you have a question you would like answered on the show, fill out the form on the podcast page here at jonathanhayashi.com.
     
    Thanks for listening! If you have found this podcast helpful, go to iTunes and leave a rating & review! That is one simple way you can help me get this in the ears of as many people as possible. Thanks for the help!
     
    Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a member of the HNR.GD Network

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    Episode 7: Traditional vs. Contemporary Worship? The Worship Wars

    Episode 7: Traditional vs. Contemporary Worship? The Worship Wars

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on the hot topic, or perhaps the never-ending battle on the worship wars.
    Are you maybe even familiar with that term? Well, get ready. This is a loaded show on the importance, in fact is a discipleship issue in the worship aspect.
     
    Some highlights from today’s episode;


    Why does music matter in our churches? Because unity is so crucial in our churches.

    There is a consumer side that is built into the modern church.
    Churches live and breathe in the culture of consumerism.
     The culture: “I’m here to be catered spiritual religious goods-and-services. I’m here as a passive spectator rather than an active participant in the mission of God.
    People have limited experience attending churches but have big opinions what the churches should be doing.
    Today, the average church member attends church 1.5 times NOT a week, but per month.

    We have to get rid of the idol of worship.


     
    Here are the three points as we dialogue on the topic of Worship Wars.
    1. What is, “Worship Wars”?  

    Identity to the Church comes along with worship style.

    Pop Church: Play the local radio songs.
    Hipster Church: Contemporary style worship.
    Hymn Church: Traditional older generation.
    Ethnic Church: Gospel music genera.


    The future of the church = determined by music choice.

     
    2. Why does the Music make such War?

    Historically: Music went along in reactions of current events.
    Why is this important? Because it is a touchy subject.
    Worship ought to be surrounded the person of Jesus (Rev. 7:9-17).

     
    3. What are Some Answers to this Issue?

    Converse one another: “Worship is not about us.”
    Jesus is the end to worship. Worship is the means to the end (Gen 3:1-24).
    Team to have the same vision of worship (centrality).
    Worship is an idol in the church.
    What is the heart of worship?
    Biblical Understanding of Holistic Worship (Gal 3:28).

     
    Resources mentioned in today’s podcast

    Worship Wars
    The Current State of Worship Wars
    The Majesty’s Men

     
    Feedback
    If you have a question you would like answered on the show, fill out the form on the podcast page here at jonathanhayashi.com.
     
    Thanks for listening! If you have found this podcast helpful, go to iTunes and leave a rating & review! That is one simple way you can help me get this in the ears of as many people as possible. Thanks for the help!
     
    Ordinary Radicals Podcast is a member of the HNR.GD Network

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    Episode 6: Facing the Regrets of Ministry and Overcoming Them

    Episode 6: Facing the Regrets of Ministry and Overcoming Them

    In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speak on the topic of regrets in ministry.
    There seems to be a whole lot of other topics such as church polity, theological controversy, practical methodology, or scriptural matters yet not on this topic.
    I guess the first question is why aren’t people talking about this? Is it because people have no regrets in ministry? Or it is a hush-hush topic to be avoided?
     
    Some highlights from today’s episode;


    90% of current pastors in churches 10 years from now will NOT be in ministry.

    On a lay congregant level, people view pastors as superman.
    People often say, “Jus forgive and forget!” A society says, “just move on!” from any hard issues in life.
    Christians society has been influenced by the secular society and you got to just move on. I don’t know if that’s a biblically faithful understanding of how God views regrets.
    As Christians, we must process emotion, but our society doesn’t process emotion well.

    The world has its McDonalds ways: society is quick-fast paste religious spirituality.

    Human beings are emotional beings. God has created with the ethos within the heart.
    Emotions are a great indicator but ought not to be our dictators.
    Healthy Understanding physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually affect each component as wholistic being is crucial.
    There are overwhelmed mothers, stressed fathers and confused teenagers. All have complex challenges, but amazingly for Christians, the solution is one and that is Jesus.
    If people refuse to see the past (rehash back) then people will do the same mistake over and over again.

    As people, we cannot divorce our experience and background from who we are.

    Saying, “Yes” to ministry was saying “No” to family.
    I don’t think there’s nowhere in the church that pride is just helpful, but in every way,  humility is helpful!

    Part of processing regret, guilt, shame, and doubt is allowing yourself to feel by crying out to God through it.

    Almost half of the books of Psalms is about lamenting.
    Come before God humbly, allow yourself to feel emotions, remind yourself of the truth of God.

    You are NOT the ministry and at the core NOT who you are. You are a Christians a child of God.

    The 21stcentury contemporary evangelicalism says we need to be, “happy, happy, happy” or “joy, joy, joy” that doesn’t give room for a health holistic lens of scripture.
    Interpreting God depending on our circumstance probably is not the wisest thing to do.
    Christin’s with emotions should not express in unhealthy ways, or suppress as it doesn’t exist, or regress to dump it somewhere, but to confess in healthy ways as the Psalms did.
    Scripture: Inform the mind, ignite the heart and invite the will.

    Allow the scripture to warm your affection that transforms your volition.


     
    Here are the three points as they dive into the hush-hush topic of regrets in ministry;
    1. Avoidance: Why is the Topic of Regret in Ministry Unspoken?  

    Regrets is a huge burden in our lives as pastor/leaders.
    The source of regrets often is in guilt, shame and judgement.
    The Christian Cliché: “Forgive and Forget!”

    – a. A culture / community filled with regrets.

    Christians are being influence by the culture (Hebrews 10:24-25).
    Process of Emotion: “I don’t want to! It hurts and it feels bad.”
    Avoidance: “I just don’t think about it, deal with it, so don’t feel about it.”

    – b. Human beings are emotional beings (John 11:35).

    What happens to a society that is looking for the next thing to make themselves feel good?
    Jesus is the solution to all problems (Matt 12:12-17; Heb 12:1-3).
    There are biblical basis to look backwards.

     
    2. The Examples of Regrets in Real Life Ministry
    – a. Priorities of Life: (1) God, (2) Family, (3) Ministry.

    Pray to God to give you courage to face the error

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