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This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history.  Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras.The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader.  

Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.

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This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history.  Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras.The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader.  

Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.

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    Ep 125: Nick Bunker on America and the Early Cold War

    Ep 125: Nick Bunker on America and the Early Cold War

    Nick Bunker, journalist and author of In the Shadow of Fear: America and the World in 1950, joins the show to talk about the first decade of the Cold War.
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        •      01:36 Introduction 
        •      02:26 Countdown to war
        •      05:17 Biden and Truman  
        •      09:05 A failure of American policy?
        •      13:09 Present at the Creation  
        •      21:16 Stalin’s view of the world
        •      25:50 Stalin and China    
        •      30:44 Developing nuclear thinking  
        •      32:39 Robert Taft
        •      38:01 No choice but to defend Korea
        •      46:44 NSC-68

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    • 52 min
    Ep 124: Shane Brennan on Xenophon and Leadership

    Ep 124: Shane Brennan on Xenophon and Leadership

    Shane Brennan, Associate Professor of History and Classics at the Asian University for Women in Bangladesh and author of Xenophon's Anabasis: A Socratic History, joins the show to talk about why the Anabasis remains an important part of the Western canon of military writing.
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        •      01:30 Introduction 
        •      02:05 Dubai to Bangladesh
        •      05:37 Xenophon’s start  
        •      09:25 Several levels of failure
        •      12:37 “An exemplary Socratic student”  
        •      14:40 Fighting for the Persians
        •      17:18 Cyrus the Younger    
        •      20:46 A leader emerges  
        •      29:41 “How was he so right?” 
        •      36:43 Matterhorn
        •      38:33 Exile
        •      42:01 An instruction on leadership
        •      44:16 “There is always something there…”

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    • 45 min
    Ep 123: Sergey Radchenko on Soviet Motivations in the Cold War

    Ep 123: Sergey Radchenko on Soviet Motivations in the Cold War

    Sergey Radchenko, Wilson E. Schmidt Distinguished Professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and author of To Run the World: The Kremlin's Cold War Bid for Global Power, joins the show to talk about the strategic aims of the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War and how the Soviets attempted to run the world.
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        •      01:17 Introduction 
        •      02:32 A novel argument
        •      08:36 Power and recognition  
        •      11:51 Who started the Cold War?
        •      14:55 The American dilemma  
        •      17:09 Fukuyama
        •      21:21 Nuclear guarantees    
        •      25:16 The shadow of WWII  
        •      29:44 Flippancy and boredom 
        •      32:06 Détente
        •      32:12 Backstabbing
        •      37:52 American lecturing
        •      45:39 Sources of Soviet collapse

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    • 49 min
     Ep 122: Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger on a Victory Strategy for China

     Ep 122: Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger on a Victory Strategy for China

    Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger join the show to discuss their recent Foreign Affairs essay on the need for a victory strategy in America’s cold war with China.
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        •      01:53 Introduction 
        •      03:25 Meeting in Iraq
        •      07:43 “There are bad guys…”
        •      13:15 Why detente isn’t working  
        •      23:45 Real statesmanship?
        •      32:12 Rearm/Reduce/Recruit 
        •      35:20 TikTok
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    • 36 min
    Ep 121: Andy Lowery on Drones and Directed Energy

    Ep 121: Andy Lowery on Drones and Directed Energy

    Andy Lowery, CEO of EPIRUS and a retired U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander, joins the show to talk about directed energy weapons on the modern battlefield.
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        •      01:45 Introduction 
        •      02:02 Before EPIRUS
        •      06:29 Drones on the battlefield
        •      13:30 Current countermeasures 
        •      19:40 An answer for autonomy
        •      21:32 How does it all work? 
        •      29:54 Beam specs 
        •      33:45 Sci-fi but familiar
        •      38:11 Gallium nitride
        •      40:31 Cat and mouse game

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    • 47 min
    Ep 120: Iskander Rehman on the Emperor Tiberius and American Primacy

    Ep 120: Iskander Rehman on the Emperor Tiberius and American Primacy

    Iskander Rehman, Ax:son Johnson Fellow at the Johns Hopkins SAIS Kissinger Center and author of Iron Imperator: Roman Grand Strategy Under Tiberius, joins the show to talk about the military career and statecraft of Tiberius and what his career has to teach us today.
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        •      02:32 Introduction 
        •      03:29 The Pentagon and Rome
        •      07:29 Why Tiberius?
        •      15:04 Parallels 
        •      18:26 Germania
        •      22:38 Roman criticism 
        •      28:03 Auxiliaries and proxies 
        •      32:09 Diplomacy and a recruitment crisis
        •      34:00 A brilliant military career
        •      37:17 Force structure
        •      41:18 Parthian Cold War

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    • 44 min

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