Asking for me: a podcast of questions Robin & Elizabeth

In part 2 of this episode, Julie and John share their story of heartbreaking fallout from their church conflict and the growing tensions between church leadership and the truth. Listen in to their experience and how they have been able to make sense of what happened and learn from their hurt and anger at sin and the lack of repentance in the church. 




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In this conversation, John and Julie share their experiences with a church plant in Salt Lake City, from its beginning stages through the situation that led them to leave the church. Hear how the rapid explosion of a church plant in downtown SLC, Utah, led to growing pains and then exposed the lack of discipleship and spiritual maturity as the years went by. Join us for part 1 of their story and heartache in the midst of ministry.

Topics in this episode: 


Rapid growth of church plants
Seeker sensitive models
the Willow Creek business-church 
Metrics of success for plants - evangelism v discipleship
The unique needs of Salt Lake City, LDS (ex-mormon seekers)
Protecting the brand over the people
When sin enters the camp, prophets call for repentance

Stay tuned for part 2 to hear more and some lessons learned.


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Ginny Barker has had three church planting experiences with three different denominations. Her wealth of knowledge and discernment, along with her tender, shepherd's heart made this conversation an easy one. She is passionate about churches being healthy and addressing the issues that keep them from engaging the people sitting in the pews week after week, looking for help. 

Ginny's blog post "Church Planting 101" can be found here.


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"To plant a church, you have to be so arrogant to think that what you say on Sunday is better than every one else around you and that your message will connect with the people that the megachurch and the church that's been there 100+ years can't. There is a certain level of either realized or unrealized arrogance. Some of that caught up with us." 

- Dr. Bobby Griffith, Jr.

Ep. 1: Church Plant Gentrifying - join us as Dr Griffith looks back on years at City Presbyterian in Oklahoma City and some of the issues of planting in a downtown, urban residential area. 


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In this episode we talk about the overtures in the PCA regarding "gay" Christianity, side B, Revoice, TE Greg Johnson, and the implications of the SJC ruling going forward. 


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A short break from talking PCA and GA Overtures this episode, as Elizabeth and Robin share their stories on meeting and marrying their pastor-husbands and their journey so far in ministry. Being a ministry spouse can have unique challenges and sharing our stories can help others know they are not alone. 


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