With Interest

The With Interest podcast brings you unrivalled commentary and thought leadership for businesses, accounting and finance professionals. Each week, we share expert industry opinions, insights and resources across accounting, public practice, taxation, auditing, finance, strategy, leadership, economic and business-related issues. Subscribe today to stay up-to-date with the latest episodes. With Interest is presented by CPA Australia, one of the world's largest accounting bodies, with core services that include education, training, technical support and advocacy. In 2018, CPA Australia won an Award of Excellence at the 24th Annual Communicator Awards in the category of 'Podcasts - General-Corporation/Business'. ---------------------------------------------------- CPA Australia publishes three podcasts: - With Interest - INTHEBLACK - Excel Tips To find out more about our podcasts, visit https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts - or search for the shows in your podcast service. To contact the podcast team email us at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au.

  1. 3 DAYS AGO

    Fireside chat with Australia's Auditor General

    In this special episode of With Interest, CPA Australia CEO Chris Freeland sits down with Australia's Auditor General, Dr Caralee McLiesh, for an exclusive fireside chat on public sector challenges.  The conversation builds on Dr McLiesh's keynote address on performance management in the Commonwealth public sector, drawing on insights from the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) annual report, released in September 2025.  The discussion took place following a roundtable lunch in Canberra on 5 August 2025, where CPA Australia convened senior public sector leaders to hear Dr McLiesh's keynote before she joined Chris Freeland to expand on the key themes.  Listen now.  Speakers: Dr Caralee McLiesh, Auditor-General of Australia and Chris Freeland, CEO, CPA Australia. You can listen to the keynote speech from the roundtable in full by Australia's Auditor-General, Dr Caralee McLiesh. For more information about the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) head to its website.  And you can learn more about Dr Caralee McLiesh's career from this PMC statement following her announcement as Australia's auditor general in 2024.   Listen to more With Interest episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube.   CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest  INTHEBLACK   INTHEBLACK Out Loud  Excel Tips  Search for them in your podcast platform.   Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    15 min
  2. 5 DAYS AGO

    Assessing public sector performance management

    In this special With Interest episode, you can listen in full to a keynote speech by Australia's Auditor-General, Dr Caralee McLiesh. The speech focuses on performance management in the Commonwealth public sector, drawing on some of the many findings in the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) annual report, released in September 2025. The Auditor-General addresses the state of performance management 10 years after the introduction of the Public Governance Performance and Accountability (PGPA) Act of 2013. In her speech, she highlights three key areas where the framework's full potential has yet to be realised. CPA Australia CEO Chris Freeland brought together senior leaders from across the public sector for a roundtable lunch in the nation's capital on August 5, 2025, where the Auditor-General gave this insightful keynote. Listen now. Speaker: Dr Caralee McLiesh, Auditor-General of Australia For more information about the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) head to its website. And you can learn more about Dr Caralee McLiesh's career from this PMC statement following her announcement as Australia's auditor general in 2024. Listen to more With Interest episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube. CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest INTHEBLACK INTHEBLACK Out Loud Excel Tips Search for them in your podcast platform. Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    22 min
  3. 14 OCT

    How the ATO and big business work together

    How does the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) ensure tax fairness when dealing with large corporations. In this episode, the Deputy Commissioner, Public Groups, at the ATO explains how the tax office works to promote transparency, accountability and compliance in the large market sector. This discussion sheds light on how the ATO's strategic approach supports both corporate confidence and public trust. Some of the key areas covered include:  Current state of the large business market  The Tax Avoidance Taskforce  Key trends in compliance  Overall relationship between large businesses and the tax system  Dispute resolution  The introduction of public country-by-country reporting  The future of the relationship between big business and the ATO  Listen now for expert-led insights from the ATO's expert in this field.   Host: Jenny Wong, Tax Lead, CPA Australia  Guest: Rebecca Saint, Deputy Commissioner, Public Groups, ATO. Rebecca plays a leading role in the Tax Avoidance Taskforce, where she handles large market strategy and compliance and assurance programs for public and multinational groups. For more, you can read Rebecca's speech at the CPA Tax Forum 2025.    And this ATO Findings Report on public and multinational business disputes and outcomes will provide further context to this episode. Keen to listen to more episodes? With Interest and other CPA Australia podcasts are uploaded regularly to YouTube. CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest  INTHEBLACK   INTHEBLACK Out Loud  Excel Tips  Search for them in your podcast platform.   Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    32 min
  4. 2 OCT

    Tax Forum 2025: Geopolitics and global reform

    In part two of this With Interest conversation, experts David Bradbury, Paul Tilley, Dale Pinto and Jenny Wong discuss the global tax reform debate, unpacking the challenges and opportunities facing Australia. Key takeaways include: Why OECD Pillar Two still has a fighting chance The impact of dividend imputation on tax reform Why stamp duty is a critical state-level issue How tariffs vs VAT reflect shifting US tax policy International best practices to boost investor confidence. From corporate tax rate dilemmas to economic nationalism, this episode explores how geopolitical tensions and tax complexity are reshaping the future of taxation. The discussion was held at CPA Australia's inaugural Tax Forum in August 2025. Listen now. Hosts: Jenny Wong, Tax Lead, Policy and Advocacy, CPA Australia and Dale Pinto, Global President and Chair of CPA Australia Guests: David Bradbury, partner at KPMG Australia, former Federal Minister and Assistant Treasurer, former Deputy Director of the OECD's Centre for Tax Policy and Administration Paul Tilley, former economic advisor to Treasury and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, and author of Mixed Fortunes: A History of Tax Reform in Australia. You can find a CPA at our custom portal on the CPA Australia website. Missed part one? Find it here. Would you like to listen to more With Interest episodes? Head to CPA Australia's YouTube channel. CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest INTHEBLACK INTHEBLACK Out Loud Excel Tips Search for them in your podcast platform.  Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    28 min
  5. 30 SEPT

    Tax Forum 2025: Australian tax reform and fiscal sustainability

    Australia's tax system is under pressure. In part one of this With Interest conversation, Jenny Wong is joined by two of the country's leading voices in tax policy — David Bradbury and Paul Tilley. Together, they explore the structural flaws in Australia's tax system, the economic and political barriers to reform and the urgent need for a tax mix shift. Key takeaways include: Why Australia's tax system may not be fit for "dangerous times" The single biggest structural flaw in Australia's tax system today The risks of over-reliance on personal income tax How capital income tax impacts productivity and investment Why Australia has gone 25 years without meaningful change From capital taxation challenges to the erosion of GST revenue, this conversation offers deep insights into the future of tax reform in Australia. The discussion was held at CPA Australia's inaugural Tax Forum in August 2025. Listen now. Host: Jenny Wong, Tax Lead, Policy and Advocacy, CPA Australia Guests: David Bradbury, partner at KPMG Australia, former Federal Minister and Assistant Treasurer, former Deputy Director of the OECD's Centre for Tax Policy and Administration Paul Tilley, former economic advisor to Treasury and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, and author of Mixed Fortunes: A History of Tax Reform in Australia. You can find a CPA at our custom portal on the CPA Australia website. Stay tuned for part two as David Bradbury, Paul Tilley, Dale Pinto and Jenny Wong discuss the global tax reform debate, unpacking the challenges and opportunities facing Australia. Coming soon. Would you like to listen to more With Interest episodes? Head to CPA Australia's YouTube channel. CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest INTHEBLACK INTHEBLACK Out Loud Excel Tips Search for them in your podcast platform.  Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    31 min
  6. 16 SEPT

    Attracting accountants: How to future-proof the profession

    How can we attract more accountants and future-proof the profession? In this episode we take a deep dive with IFAC into this pressing question. You'll learn about accounting's talent pipeline – its challenges and possible solutions. Key takeaways include:   What's really driving the talent shortage and how firms, educators and policymakers can respond.  Simple ways to position accounting as a dynamic, valued career choice.  Why reaching future accountants in primary school – and harnessing gamification – sparks lifelong curiosity.  How AI is reshaping (not replacing) accounting jobs, and what skillsets are essential for today's graduates.  Real-world strategies to build an engaged and future-proofed accounting team.  If you're in business or accounting leadership, don't miss these actionable insights to help understand and elevate the profession's future.  Host: Elinor Kasapidis, Chief of Policy, Standards and External affairs, CPA Australia  Guest: Bruce Vivian, Head of Accountancy Education, IFAC  You can learn more about Bruce Vivian's career and his role with IFAC.   And read IFAC's story on possible incentives for attracting accounting talent.  Also, check out IFAC's website for its attractiveness of the profession hub which includes resources on preparing a future-ready profession and roles for the next decade.  You can listen to more With Interest episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube.   CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest  INTHEBLACK   INTHEBLACK Out Loud  Excel Tips Search for them in your podcast platform.   Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    27 min
  7. 3 SEPT

    Export growth strategies for Australian finance leaders

    Want strategic insights to help navigate the tricky landscape of international trade?   Designed for Australian accountants and business leaders seeking an edge in global trade, this podcast will give you expert-led insights into:  How to assess financial health before entering new markets  Cash flow strategies that support sustainable export growth  Practical tools for managing risks in international trade  Ways government loans and grants can accelerate expansion  Why early lender engagement is key to successful financing  Our guest is an export expert! Sonia Kammel is the CFO of Export Finance Australia (EFA), the Australian Government's export credit agency, which supports export trade and overseas infrastructure development.   Packed with practical advice and real-world examples, this episode equips you with the knowledge to help guide businesses and clients to global success.  Tune in now.   Host: Gavan Ord, Business Investment and International Lead, CPA Australia    Guest: Sonia Kammel FCPA, CFO of Export Finance Australia For more, head online to the Export Finance Australia website where you can also learn about small business loans. And of course, the EFA account on LinkedIn is another useful resource.   Want to listen to more episodes? With Interest and other CPA Australia podcasts are also on YouTube.   CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: With Interest  INTHEBLACK   INTHEBLACK Out Loud  Excel Tips  Search for them in your podcast platform.   Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    18 min
  8. 27 AUG

    Australia's economic reform roundtable: Key takeaways

    Unpack and understand Australia's economic reform roundtable, which met in Canberra recently to explore ways of making the economy more productive and resilient.   This includes what the issues discussed mean for the economy's future and what accountants and finance leaders need to know about the major tax and productivity challenges ahead.   Tune in now for a breakdown of this three-day summit, including:  Tax reform and productivity  Long-term growth challenges  Modernising the workforce  Tariffs  AI strategies  Attracting capital  While there is cautious optimism, this episode explores the broad thrust of the roundtable to understand the key challenges ahead.   The federal government roundtable, held in August 2025 brought together leaders from the business community, the union movement and society.   These discussions were informed by nearly 900 submissions from experts, industry leaders and individuals (including CPA Australia) and over 40 forums that Ministers held.   Listen now.   Host: Adrienne Biscontin, external affairs adviser, CPA Australia  Guests Dr Brendan Rynne, chief economist, KPMG. Brendan has been at KPMG nearly 30 years, 22 years as a partner, and has worked on major policy reforms including the Henry Tax Review and the Tax White paper. Alongside Brendan is  Gavan Ord business investment and international lead, CPA Australia.   Links:  For more on this episode's special guest, head over to the KPMG website.   Listen to more With Interest episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube.   CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting:  With Interest  INTHEBLACK   INTHEBLACK Out Loud  Excel Tips  Search for them in your podcast platform.   Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au

    22 min

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The With Interest podcast brings you unrivalled commentary and thought leadership for businesses, accounting and finance professionals. Each week, we share expert industry opinions, insights and resources across accounting, public practice, taxation, auditing, finance, strategy, leadership, economic and business-related issues. Subscribe today to stay up-to-date with the latest episodes. With Interest is presented by CPA Australia, one of the world's largest accounting bodies, with core services that include education, training, technical support and advocacy. In 2018, CPA Australia won an Award of Excellence at the 24th Annual Communicator Awards in the category of 'Podcasts - General-Corporation/Business'. ---------------------------------------------------- CPA Australia publishes three podcasts: - With Interest - INTHEBLACK - Excel Tips To find out more about our podcasts, visit https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts - or search for the shows in your podcast service. To contact the podcast team email us at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au.

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