Show Notes In this rich, wandering catch-up with with Dr. Carl Woods we explore how an ecological approach to psychology, sport, and everyday life might help us live more responsibly in a time of ecological collapse. Drawing on two of Carl’s recent papers – a commentary on wayfinding (in conversation with Harry Heft and Gibsonian ecological psychology) and “Responsibility in a Time of Ecological Collapse” – we unpack what it means to pay attention, to be “response-able,” and to re‑situate humans within, not above, the more‑than‑human world. In This Episode The backstory to Carl’s recent papers - How a provocative earlier paper on doing sport science differently led to a conversational review process with John van der Kamp. - The emergence of a special issue on ecological psychology’s response to the climate crisis. - Why Carl and colleagues moved from talking about morality to proposing an ethic of responsibility. From cognitive maps to wayfinding as skilled movement - Harry Heft’s challenge to the idea that humans and animals navigate via internal cognitive maps. - Why exploratory movement and picking up environmental structure are central to finding one’s way. - Seafarers, albatrosses, currents, and how different species perceive and navigate their worlds. - The downstream implications: how your theoretical lens changes what and how you study in both lab and field. What is an ethic of responsibility? - Moving beyond box‑ticking, principled ethics and university forms. - Responsibility as rooted in our **interwovenness with the world** and our ongoing relations. - Five practices Carl and colleagues foreground: - **Attentiveness** - **Politeness and curiosity** - **Rendering each other capable** - **Openness to encounter** - **Ongoingness and mutual flourishing** Education of attention & “attention snacking" - Marianne’s idea of small attentional shifts as “attention snacks” that can nudge long‑term behavioural change. - Why ecological approaches focus not on “changing what’s in the head” but on what people become attuned to. - How this differs from traditional “behaviour change” models that rely on prescriptions, rules, and optimisation. Stories that make it concrete - Pigeon Watch (Donna Haraway): Chicago schoolchildren move from seeing pigeons as “rats with wings” to recognizsng them as social beings with life ways, and begin to act differently in their neighbourhoods. - Barbara Smuts and the baboons: what it means to observe animals from their perspective, with politeness and curiosity, rather than forcing their behaviour into our theories. - Dancing at UQ: how a glazed façade and manicured forecourt at the University of Queensland became a spontaneous public dance space, illustrating how design can unintentionally hold open pluralistic affordances. - Marianne’s sea kayaking and rock‑hopping: timing, swell, sound, and the full sensory education of attention needed to move through dynamic seascapes. - Whiteouts and a search-and-rescue dog: how Marianne and her dog Skye co‑navigated in zero visibility, and what this reveals about multi-species wayfinding. - Companion animals (dogs, horses) and over‑control: shifting from obedience and dominance to *shared responsiveness, trust, and agency. Tight and loose logics in design and coaching - How to design environments and practice tasks that have: - A tight task goal, but - Enough loose affordances and “wiggle room” to invite creativity, exploration, and spontaneous solutions. - Applying this to: - Urban and campus design - Physical activity promotion - Sports coaching (beyond “right/wrong technique” and deficit detection). Climate, local weather, and caring for the tree at the end of the street - Reframing “global climate change” as "local weather change" to reconnect people with what they can directly perceive. - Why attending to local events (floods, changing seasons, declines in sparrows) may be more powerful than distant abstractions. - Marianne’s house sparrows and the garden center’s nesting wren: small acts of making space for more-than-human life. - The question Carl poses: How do we help people care about the tree at the end of their street? Trust, ongoingness, and flourishing together - Trust as an attunement to the other, and a willingness to be vulnerable in the expectation of shared ongoingness. - Symbiotic examples: mantis shrimp and goby fish, sled dogs and Inuit travellers, rescue dogs and handlers, horses and riders, teammates in sport. - How trust, attention, and responsibility intertwine so that all parties can flourish. Themes You’ll Hear Throughout - Ecological psychology (Gibson, Heft) as a way of seeing - perception, movement, and environment - as inseparable. - Critiques of human exceptionalism and “humans versus nature” thinking. - The power of small, local, concrete practices – counting pigeons, noticing a tree, watching how a bird nests – to open up ethics and responsibility. - Practical consequences for: - Sport and coaching - Dog and horse training - Environmental design and conservation - Everyday living with weather, animals, and places If you enjoy conversations that braid together theory, practice, and story – from spearfishing and sea kayaking to pigeons, baboons, dogs, horses, and sparrows – this episode offers a deep yet grounded exploration of what it might mean to live more response-able lives in entangled, more-than-human worlds. Links to the papers that frame this conversation (both open access) On Response-Ability in a Time of Ecological Collapse https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10407413.2026.2613808#abstract On finding one’s way: a comment on Bock et al. (2024)https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00426-024-02011-1
