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In a gripping and revealing conversation, forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland, known for her deep-dive exploration into the mind of the notorious serial killer, Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer), spoke with Tony Brueski on the podcast "Hidden Killers". Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography, offered an unrivaled glimpse into the process of understanding extreme offenders, her experiences with Rader, and the effect of this journey on the field of criminology and forensic psychology.
 
  Ramsland shared, "I've been teaching a course on extreme offenders for several decades... I had just finished a book where I looked at a dozen cases of mental health experts who had spent a lot of time with either a mass or serial killer, trying to learn as much detail about their developmental process as possible." The opportunity to work on Rader's biography, she mentioned, was one that she couldn't turn down, even though it meant navigating complex situations and trust-building exercises.
 
  A significant part of the process was to gain the trust of both Rader and the victims' families. Ramsland explained, "I had to write a proposal that everybody agreed with and it essentially, it was to be able to use whatever [Rader] tells me to benefit law enforcement, criminology and forensic psychology." It was a sensitive negotiation that demanded empathy, understanding, and clinical detachment.
 
  The project had a significant impact on Ramsland's career and research in criminology. Her time with Rader involved prison visits, phone conversations, detailed letters, and a study of his drawings and poetry, among other things. "It taught me things, taught him things. I think it did make a contribution... some people, I use it as a textbook in my classes," Ramsland said, affirming the value of the project to her field.
 
  Ramsland emphasized that the process of gaining trust was intricate and multifaceted. With the victims' families, she demonstrated her clinical interest and stated her intent to avoid any glorification or excessive graphic details. Ramsland recounted, "I think when I told them my intent... and agreed to the terms, um, and that this was really for me, a professional research project. And that's what I wanted to use it for. They were on board."
 
  On the other hand, building a relationship with Rader involved satisfying his fascination for puzzles and codes. Ramsland shared, "The first thing he wanted me to do was solve some codes... because he wanted to see if I'd play the game... I did because it was interesting... And then in the end, um, I ended up writing the code that we used for the book." Her willingness to engage in Rader's world allowed her to gain his trust and foster an understanding that eventually led to the creation of the book.
 
 Ramsland's intensive exploration into the mind of one of the world's most infamous serial killers paints an illustrative picture of the complexities involved in understanding such individuals. This work has not only contributed significantly to the field of forensic psychology but also brought to light the mechanisms of how the minds of extreme offenders work. Her pursuit reflects a compelling blend of professional rigor, human empathy, and academic curiosity, underlining the importance of such investigations for broader societal understanding and law enforcement applications.
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In a gripping and revealing conversation, forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland, known for her deep-dive exploration into the mind of the notorious serial killer, Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer), spoke with Tony Brueski on the podcast "Hidden Killers". Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography, offered an unrivaled glimpse into the process of understanding extreme offenders, her experiences with Rader, and the effect of this journey on the field of criminology and forensic psychology.
 
  Ramsland shared, "I've been teaching a course on extreme offenders for several decades... I had just finished a book where I looked at a dozen cases of mental health experts who had spent a lot of time with either a mass or serial killer, trying to learn as much detail about their developmental process as possible." The opportunity to work on Rader's biography, she mentioned, was one that she couldn't turn down, even though it meant navigating complex situations and trust-building exercises.
 
  A significant part of the process was to gain the trust of both Rader and the victims' families. Ramsland explained, "I had to write a proposal that everybody agreed with and it essentially, it was to be able to use whatever [Rader] tells me to benefit law enforcement, criminology and forensic psychology." It was a sensitive negotiation that demanded empathy, understanding, and clinical detachment.
 
  The project had a significant impact on Ramsland's career and research in criminology. Her time with Rader involved prison visits, phone conversations, detailed letters, and a study of his drawings and poetry, among other things. "It taught me things, taught him things. I think it did make a contribution... some people, I use it as a textbook in my classes," Ramsland said, affirming the value of the project to her field.
 
  Ramsland emphasized that the process of gaining trust was intricate and multifaceted. With the victims' families, she demonstrated her clinical interest and stated her intent to avoid any glorification or excessive graphic details. Ramsland recounted, "I think when I told them my intent... and agreed to the terms, um, and that this was really for me, a professional research project. And that's what I wanted to use it for. They were on board."
 
  On the other hand, building a relationship with Rader involved satisfying his fascination for puzzles and codes. Ramsland shared, "The first thing he wanted me to do was solve some codes... because he wanted to see if I'd play the game... I did because it was interesting... And then in the end, um, I ended up writing the code that we used for the book." Her willingness to engage in Rader's world allowed her to gain his trust and foster an understanding that eventually led to the creation of the book.
 
 Ramsland's intensive exploration into the mind of one of the world's most infamous serial killers paints an illustrative picture of the complexities involved in understanding such individuals. This work has not only contributed significantly to the field of forensic psychology but also brought to light the mechanisms of how the minds of extreme offenders work. Her pursuit reflects a compelling blend of professional rigor, human empathy, and academic curiosity, underlining the importance of such investigations for broader societal understanding and law enforcement applications.
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In a gripping and revealing conversation, forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland, known for her deep-dive exploration into the mind of the notorious serial killer, Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer), spoke with Tony Brueski on the podcast "Hidden Killers". Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography, offered an unrivaled glimpse into the process of understanding extreme offenders, her experiences with Rader, and the effect of this journey on the field of criminology and forensic psychology.
 
 Ramsland shared, "I've been teaching a course on extreme offenders for several decades... I had just finished a book where I looked at a dozen cases of mental health experts who had spent a lot of time with either a mass or serial killer, trying to learn as much detail about their developmental process as possible." The opportunity to work on Rader's biography, she mentioned, was one that she couldn't turn down, even though it meant navigating complex situations and trust-building exercises.
 
  A significant part of the process was to gain the trust of both Rader and the victims' families. Ramsland explained, "I had to write a proposal that everybody agreed with and it essentially, it was to be able to use whatever [Rader] tells me to benefit law enforcement, criminology and forensic psychology." It was a sensitive negotiation that demanded empathy, understanding, and clinical detachment.
 
  The project had a significant impact on Ramsland's career and research in criminology. Her time with Rader involved prison visits, phone conversations, detailed letters, and a study of his drawings and poetry, among other things. "It taught me things, taught him things. I think it did make a contribution... some people, I use it as a textbook in my classes," Ramsland said, affirming the value of the project to her field.
 
  Ramsland emphasized that the process of gaining trust was intricate and multifaceted. With the victims' families, she demonstrated her clinical interest and stated her intent to avoid any glorification or excessive graphic details. Ramsland recounted, "I think when I told them my intent... and agreed to the terms, um, and that this was really for me, a professional research project. And that's what I wanted to use it for. They were on board."
 
  On the other hand, building a relationship with Rader involved satisfying his fascination for puzzles and codes. Ramsland shared, "The first thing he wanted me to do was solve some codes... because he wanted to see if I'd play the game... I did because it was interesting... And then in the end, um, I ended up writing the code that we used for the book." Her willingness to engage in Rader's world allowed her to gain his trust and foster an understanding that eventually led to the creation of the book.
 
 Ramsland's intensive exploration into the mind of one of the world's most infamous serial killers paints an illustrative picture of the complexities involved in understanding such individuals. This work has not only contributed significantly to the field of forensic psychology but also brought to light the mechanisms of how the minds of extreme offenders work. Her pursuit reflects a compelling blend of professional rigor, human empathy, and academic curiosity, underlining the importance of such investigations for broader societal understanding and law enforcement applications.
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In a captivating series of conversations on the podcast "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski delves into the mind of one of the most notorious serial killers alive today, Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer. The series features extensive interviews with Dr. Katherine Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography and a professor of forensic psychology. Brueski and Ramsland provide a fascinating insight into the psyche of a murderer, drawing from years of correspondence and interactions between Ramsland and Rader himself.
 
Ramsland's approach to understanding Rader involved extensive communication through letters and phone calls, exploring the intricate world of a killer's mind. "Well, he has what I believe is hypergraphia. Which is excessive writing," Ramsland revealed. "He would fill pages and pages of details...but just the fact that I would have these written documents was good because then I could use those as springboards for questions back to him."
 
Notably, Rader maintained certain degrees of respect and discipline throughout the process, which Ramsland describes as unusual amongst serial killers. "Rader was not like that. He was respectful. He appreciated what I was trying to do. He read some difficult things. I sent a couple of books that I wanted him to read and think about and comment on regarding his own case, and he made his way through them," she said.
 
As a part of her research, Ramsland encouraged Rader to read books like "The Anatomy of Violence" by Adrian Rain, a leading forensic psychologist. Rader's narcissism often guided his interest, focusing on segments of the text that seemed relevant to his situation.
 
Interestingly, Ramsland mentioned that Rader showed a keen interest in understanding his own actions and behavior, an aspect that isn't often observed in psychopathic individuals. "He is interested in knowing why he turned out to be this way, especially because he, you know, lost a lot was at stake. He lost his family, he lost his social standing," Ramsland commented.
 
One aspect of their conversation brought out a rather unexpected side of Rader - his emotional response to a documentary about his crimes. Ramsland noted, "It made him cry when he watched the other people talking on it." This sparked a discussion on the depth and authenticity of Rader's emotional responses, which Ramsland explained are often superficial in psychopathic individuals.
 
However, Ramsland does not assert these observations as definitive proof of Rader's psychopathy or ability to feel remorse. "I'm not inside his head. I can't say that he has how deep his feelings go. I can't say that about anybody I know," she says, highlighting the complexities and limitations of studying such individuals.
 
The series "Hidden Killers" provides an unnerving yet enthralling look into the world of true crime, expertly helmed by Brueski. With Dr. Katherine Ramsland's invaluable insights into the mind of a murderer, the series invites listeners to gain a more profound understanding of the macabre world of serial killers like Dennis Rader.
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In a gripping and revealing conversation, forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland, known for her deep-dive exploration into the mind of the notorious serial killer, Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer), spoke with Tony Brueski on the podcast "Hidden Killers". Ramsland, the author of Rader's autobiography, offered an unrivaled glimpse into the process of understanding extreme offenders, her experiences with Rader, and the effect of this journey on the field of criminology and forensic psychology.
 
 Ramsland shared, "I've been teaching a course on extreme offenders for several decades... I had just finished a book where I looked at a dozen cases of mental health experts who had spent a lot of time with either a mass or serial killer, trying to learn as much detail about their developmental process as possible." The opportunity to work on Rader's biography, she mentioned, was one that she couldn't turn down, even though it meant navigating complex situations and trust-building exercises.
 
 A significant part of the process was to gain the trust of both Rader and the victims' families. Ramsland explained, "I had to write a proposal that everybody agreed with and it essentially, it was to be able to use whatever [Rader] tells me to benefit law enforcement, criminology and forensic psychology." It was a sensitive negotiation that demanded empathy, understanding, and clinical detachment.
 
 The project had a significant impact on Ramsland's career and research in criminology. Her time with Rader involved prison visits, phone conversations, detailed letters, and a study of his drawings and poetry, among other things. "It taught me things, taught him things. I think it did make a contribution... some people, I use it as a textbook in my classes," Ramsland said, affirming the value of the project to her field.
 
 Ramsland emphasized that the process of gaining trust was intricate and multifaceted. With the victims' families, she demonstrated her clinical interest and stated her intent to avoid any glorification or excessive graphic details. Ramsland recounted, "I think when I told them my intent... and agreed to the terms, um, and that this was really for me, a professional research project. And that's what I wanted to use it for. They were on board."
 
 On the other hand, building a relationship with Rader involved satisfying his fascination for puzzles and codes. Ramsland shared, "The first thing he wanted me to do was solve some codes... because he wanted to see if I'd play the game... I did because it was interesting... And then in the end, um, I ended up writing the code that we used for the book." Her willingness to engage in Rader's world allowed her to gain his trust and foster an understanding that eventually led to the creation of the book.
 
Ramsland's intensive exploration into the mind of one of the world's most infamous serial killers paints an illustrative picture of the complexities involved in understanding such individuals. This work has not only contributed significantly to the field of forensic psychology but also brought to light the mechanisms of how the minds of extreme offenders work. Her pursuit reflects a compelling blend of professional rigor, human empathy, and academic curiosity, underlining the importance of such investigations for broader societal understanding and law enforcement applications.
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The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com