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Amanda & Amber are joined by friends Caitlan Moore & Sunny Zimmerman to talk fanfiction, exploring gender & sexuality through fictional characters, & reality TV… all subjects related to LBJ The Play, directed by Caitlan & written/starring Sunny as President Lyndon B. Johnson. SEE LBJ THE PLAY in the NETFLIX IS A JOKE FESTIVAL May 3rd @ 7pm @ Dynasty Typewriter! TICKETS: https://bit.ly/3W427GW
LBJ: http://instagram.com/lbjtheplay 
Sunny: http://instagram.com/zimmer_down_ 
http://tiktok.com/@zimmer_down_ 
Caitlan: http://instagram.com/caitlan_deniro 
HOSTS: 
Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller 
Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller 
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WEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com 
THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET 1D: https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 
LBJ CAST:
Katie Davis as the teacher: http://instagram.com/katield 
Soraya Perry as Lady Bird/Jackie/LBJ’s mom: http://instagram.com/sorayaperry 
Albert Muzquiz as JFK/LBJ’s dad: http://instagram.com/edgyalbert 
TIMESTAMPS 
00:00 intro + LBJ The Play in 2 weeks!
6:33 Hamilton and fanfiction
8:40 projecting onto fictional characters
10:46 My Immortal & Mary Sue fanfiction
17:50 Degrassi, Glee, & Life With Derek
22:22 gender & attraction & fanfic (via Glee & NBC’s Chuck)
34:51 headcanons in Star Wars & Dune
42:52 reality TV: Real Housewives, Jersey Shore, Selling Sunset
58:51 Love Island
LBJ The Play
1:06:20 LBJ The Play & Sunny’s gender exploration
1:11:13 Caitlan’s vision for LBJ
1:12:42 what is the “right thing”?
1:15:49 Love is Blind
1:22:44 outro
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Amanda and Amber are joined by friend, comedian, and actor Zay Dante to talk movies, musicals, and movie musicals. Also discussed: Madame Web, Austin Butler, theater kids, anti-cringe, & our society’s discomfort with earnestness.
Follow Zay: 
http://tiktok.com/@zayydante 
http://instagram.com/zaydante
HOSTS: 
Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller 
Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller 
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WEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com 
THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 
SHOUTOUTS
Shepherd Moon - short film by Maria Smal: http://instagram.com/shepherdmoonfilm 
TIMESTAMPS 
00:00 intro + awards chatter
4:20 twitter critics
11:50 oscars snubs & the academy
16:22 The Slap & Moonlight You Guys Won
20:18 Dear Evan Hansen
26:50 movie musicals (adaptations, ATLA)
30:27 Chicago
32:57 Mean Girls scared of musicals
36:23 Wonka
38:07 childhood white boys (Oppenheimer, Austin Butler, Robert Pattinson)
42:28 Twilight
44:35 Madame Web
47:06 musical theater
48:43 Kenny Ortega & music videos
52:30 shooting dance scenes (GMA, live action Disney movies)
56:05 overexposed/overly hated celebrities
59:00 Fifth Harmony
1:00:18 Lin-Manuel Miranda
1:02:53 theater kids, anti-cringe, & discomfort w/ earnestness
1:08:13 social media
1:12:24 zay’s tiktok process (phineas & ferb)
1:21:21 renee rapp (fandom jokes out of respect, Southern attitude)
1:27:08 AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER
1:29:49 zay’s theater career
1:32:22 more ATLA (zuko)
1:36:57 outro
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Amanda & Amber are joined by their friend, writer and comedian Danika Lyle, to talk all about THE MUPPETS as comedians, cultural commentators, real celebrities, and true artists. Also discussed: trying to impress fanboys, YouTube sketch groups, and making art just to hang out.
Follow Danika on instagram: @danika.lyle
HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) 
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SHOUTOUTS
Black Clowns to follow: 
Camirin Farmer (@camirinfarmer)
Kristin Wallace (@verygenuine)
Puppeteer/Artist: Esty Bharier (@estycreates)
Freak Nature Puppets: https://www.freaknaturepuppets.com/ 
Bob Baker Marionettes (Los Angeles): https://www.bobbakermarionettetheater.com/
TIMESTAMPS 
(skip to 5:06 if you don’t want to hear a random piercing/tattoo discussion)
00:00 piercings and tattoos
5:06 dani’s muppets tattoo
8:27 raven is a clown
9:20 clowning is human puppets
14:13 MUPPETS ARE PUPPETS
15:20 muppets are celebrities
18:10 sketch group and movie stars
19:43 parodying show business
20:30 muppets are for adults and sometimes problematic
22:50 muppets make the industry better
26:58 muppets lore
29:31 what movie should the muppets remake?
34:38 MUPPETS WIZARD OF OZ
38:24 not enough money?!
39:42 the music of the muppets
42:10 cultural commentary & audience POV
44:11 physical comedy
46:15 dani’s ultimate nerd girl history
48:48 active obsession vs. escapism
53:04 LATE AS HELL intro
54:08 humans and muppets
55:36 romantasy novels
57:02 fangirls pursuing entertainment just to hangout
1:05:19 fanboys vs. tumblr gays vs. pinterest
1:13:24 making stuff with your friends
1:20:55 dani IS a muppet
1:21:40 outro
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Professional fangirl and writer Allegra Rosenberg joins Amanda & Amber for an academic conversation where they truly intellectualize fandom. They talk Tumblr, the origins of shipping/fanfic/fan vidding, finding fandom community, media vs. band fandom, and the book Allegra is currently writing on fandom history in the last 200 years FANDOM FOREVER (AND EVER).
Follow Allegra: @llegrarosenberg
Follow Allegra’s book research insta: @fandompast
HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) 
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SHOUTOUTS
Allegra’s episode of Fansplaining: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vQzckcmr0g8gkKW5g1xgh?si=5rTzhmi-RzuG77orMp_uyA
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 intro
02:02 how Amanda and Allegra met
03:29 Allegra’s fandom origins
06:44 Neil Gaiman song
09:12 Doctor Who
12:42 fangirl shame & Rookie Magazine chat
14:53 aesthetic vs fandom tumblr
18:11 Good Omens fangirl revival
18:54 Allegra’s Good Omens fanfics
20:49: origin of shipping
23:43 X-Files & 90s fandom
24:27 lurking vs community in fandom
26:47 fan community before the internet
29:09 marginalized outgroups & fandom
30:48 media consumption
36:25 The Terror & fan friend recommendations 
38:57 fandom is play & euphoric
41:43 fandom is for everyone!
43:02 are Bravo watchers a fandom?
46:05 surface level vs intense fandom
49:28 Homestuck as unique, gender diverse fandom
51:04 in person vs internet communities
ALLEGRA’S BOOK!
53:48 fandom through an academic lens
57:28 fanboys vs fangirls thru history
59:28 what counts as fandom? F1 chat
1:04:00 sports fandom is inherently social
1:06:00 trying to watch Classic Who
1:09:00 keeping up w/global fandom
1:10:00 fan vidding, zines, RPF (Real Person Fiction) in history
1:12:00 self-insert 1D fanfiction, RPF vs celeb culture
1:16:00 Omegaverse created by RPF shippers
1:20:00 crossover, fusion, self-insert / AU fanfics chat
1:22:00 media vs band fandom. 
1:27:00 “cool” vs “nerd” fandoms
1:33:00 When did Allegra decide she wanted to write this book?
1:37:00 historically white vs black fandom
1:39:00 “silencing the audience” & mania
1:44:00 elevated fan status in fandom
1:46:00 fan influencers
1:48:00 sharing space IRL
1:51:00 Allegra watched Sherlock live 
1:53:00 outro + shoutouts
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Ahead of watching its latest live action adaptation, Amanda and Amber attempt to cover the entirety of their shared favorite show, the greatest show of all time: AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER. Is Aang nonbinary? Can the sisters get through a season without sobbing? Is Zuko the hottest animated character ever? Yes. They tackle spirituality, which characters they ship, imperialism, and do an episode-by-episode speedrun… with a big announcement at the end.
HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) 
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SHOUTOUTS
Amber’s senior quote: “Destiny is a funny thing. You never know how things are going to work out. But if you keep an open mind and open heart, I promise you will find your own destiny someday.” -Uncle Iroh
Wholala: A Queer Doctor Who Podcast: https://linktr.ee/wholala
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 intro
2:37 season one & understanding war thru aang
10:36 our ATLA origin story
15:55 when we sobbed
18:19 avatar fangirls
19:13 azula & her downfall
22:24 the elements & fire nation imperialism
26:46 sokka’s necklace
27:12 sokka’s obsessed with men
30:53 deleting sokka’s sexism
33:13 unhelpful sexism that they actually should delete
36:11 is aang nonbinary?
38:30 theorizing queerness in TV
44:40 ATLA extended universe
46:13 SHIPPING (anti-kataang & zutara; pro-sokka/suki)
50:00 ZUKO = HOT
53:12 zuko’s bald ponytail & aang’s hair
55:04 would katara’s holy water work on zuko?
57:45 ZUKO = HOT (tempered)
1:01:23 fire nation losers
1:03:32 [TW: genocide] dangers of fascism & colonialism
1:10:19 the doctor & the avatar
1:11:02 the chosen one trope
1:15:50 the avatar & the firelord
1:19:35 obsessed with the OG gaang
1:21:51 AVATAR ROKU
1:23:27 amanda sobs about the avatar
1:25:05 ozai and iroh’s childhood
1:25:30 ATLA’s spirituality & depth
1:29:21 fantasy/sci-fi/animation disrespect & fandom vs. art
1:32:59 too much to discuss
1:35:15 live action questions
1:36:54 sokka/katara sibling dynamic
1:37:55 the gang don’t always win
1:38:38 we always have the original show
1:39:24 ATLA rewatch podcast announcement?!
1:40:51 CHAOS EPISODE-BY-EPISODE SPEED RUN
1:54:36 character appreciation
1:56:22 flying bison reproduction
1:57:24 QUOTES CRINGE-OFF
1:59:37 outro
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BARBIE EPISODE! Amanda and Amber rewatched the unhinged Barbie animated movies they grew up watching (Princess and the Pauper, Rapunzel, etc.) and analyzed how Barbie movies idealize white femininity, and how the Barbie THEY know differentiates from BARBIE (2023).
if you haven’t seen any of the Barbie animated movies here’s a brief recap to get the vibes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIb4MR_c_k 
HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) 
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 intro
0:33 we rewatched every Barbie Animated movie. (kinda)
6:35 Barbie (2023) vs. Barbie the Actress
BARBIE (2023) DISCUSSION
10:35 Barbie (2023) vs. the Barbie we grew up with
14:39 triggered by mediocre white girls
16:09 She’s everything. He’s just Ken.
18:28 gender binary memes and jokes
21:38 idolizing people is dehumanizing
BARBIE ANIMATED MOVIES
22:03 we grew up with a useless white, blonde, pretty Barbie
27:13 CHECKLIST: what makes a Barbie movie?
28:59 THAT IS NOT KEN
33:05 talking pet animals are colonial?
36:36 extremely famous villains
MOVIE BY MOVIE
38:13 NUTCRACKER
black bg characters, fantasy logic, dumbass Nutcracker, be blonde and shut up and be pretty
49:17 RAPUNZEL
50:53 Barbie acting
51:51 SWAN LAKE
disturbing child elves, Odile is an icon, Rothbar’s nose, etc.
57:39 PRINCESS AND THE PAUPER
“Cat’s Meow” makes us sob, creepy ass otter from Rapunzel, blondes vs. brunettes, classism, musicals
1:03:30 FAIRYTOPIA/MERMAIDIA/MAGIC OF THE RAINBOW
Laverna’s motivation, Elina doesn’t do anything, justice for BIBBLE, POOR PLOT, dumb characters
1:10:10 MAGIC OF PEGASUS
vengeful Barbie & weird ass baby polar bear
1:11:38 12 DANCING PRINCESSES
1:12:15 BARBIE DIARIES
Every 2000s movie, Barbie doing too much/an asshole, “Kev” not Ken was a creep, passivity and mediocre whiteness & Lizzie Mcguire, gay Bibble erasure
1:16:42 ISLAND PRINCESS
the best one, all Barbies should be musicals, best villains: Ariana and Preminger, romanticizing colonialism, comparison with Princess and the Pauper
1:27:27 Barbie is so heteronormative it’s gay
CONCLUSIONS
1:30:19 concluding Princess and the Pauper thoughts
1:33:05 My Scene/Bratz & the impossibility of Barbie
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