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The Cave of Apelles Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum

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Long form conversations on culture, myths, and philosophy.

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    Belief in Progress: Blessing or Curse to Classical Painters? | Nerdrum, Hicks and Tuv

    Belief in Progress: Blessing or Curse to Classical Painters? | Nerdrum, Hicks and Tuv

    Are we progressing towards a brighter future, or have we lost something important on the way? Should we look at science and poetry through the same lens, or is that one of the reasons why we have ended up with modernism? Philosopher Stephen Hicks sits down with Classical painters, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv, to discuss the modern belief in progress and whether it is shaping the art world for good or for bad.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Belief in progress: net negative or corrective to nihilist art world?
    10:08 Recycling vs decay and "spiritual racism"
    18:36 Cyclical history and modern nihilism
    22:24 Only the Greek sculptures are destroyed
    25:08 Progress vs unchanging reality
    28:53 The universal in the particular
    30:15 The fish pudding
    35:12 Should painters celebrate scientific progress?
    38:15 A piece of burned wood in Leonardo´s hands…
    40:58 Melancholy, a gold mine
    45:56 Skill, sensuality, desire and poetry
    49:09 Meeting people on their weakest point
    53:05 Death and resurrection of Rembrandt
    57:21 Michelangelo's Pietá vs David
    59:34 They developed their whole life
    1:04:09 Made by the same person

    This episode featured Stephen Hicks, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.

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    The Art of Fiction | Using Ayn Rand's Ideas to become a Good Storyteller

    The Art of Fiction | Using Ayn Rand's Ideas to become a Good Storyteller

    What are the foundational rules of storytelling and can Ayn Rand's philosophy serve as an inspiration to fiction authors? Henrik Knightingale, who just released his first play, is an objectivist with a keen interest for the work of Ayn Rand. He sits down with Jan-Ove Tuv and Carl Korsnes to discuss her ideas about literature and reveals how he went from being a modernist to a writer with structure and a clear goal in mind.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 From unconscious modernist to clear standards
    05:25 Forging a plot
    10:28 The Climax: a struggle of life and death
    21:38 Definition of "plot" & "theme"
    22:45 Tragedy vs unfaltering heroes?
    29:05 Rand's so-called "cardboard figures"
    33:16 Determinism vs Romanticism
    40:41 The role of volition
    50:04 Balzac, Lucian Freud and Andrew Wyeth
    56:00 Disregarding biographical data
    58:35 Show, don’t tell
    1:02:37 Which authors Rand favored
    1:05:12 Life as it can be — and ought to be
    1:09:54 My sense of life…?

    This episode featured Henrik Knightingale, Jan-Ove Tuv & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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    • 1 hr 16 min
    Making Dystopia: James Stevens Curl Exposes Totalitarian Modernism and the Falsification of History

    Making Dystopia: James Stevens Curl Exposes Totalitarian Modernism and the Falsification of History

    Professor James Stevens Curl is the author of the book "Making Dystopia: The Strange Rise and Survival of Architectural Barbarism". He dissects the modernist ideology as a historical phenomenon, which is not independent of the authoritarian social forces that surround it. On the contrary, Stevens Curl demonstrates that modernism became an authoritarian aesthetic ideology from early on, which eventually characterized the whole of Western culture.
    Where many academics in Western Europe have taken a nihilistic approach to the dystopian urban landscapes that have risen after the Second World War, James Stevens Curl chooses a firm position. As he sees it, modernism is a deeply immoral and a socially destructive project, which should be actively combated.
    Curl has also written extensively about Victorian architecture. Architecturally, the Victorian era was a rich era, with great building activity and saw the construction of many beautiful churches. In his newest book "English Victorian Churches", Curl explains how the European political currents of the time, British religious policy, and local engagement played a significant role in realizing this rich and beautiful architectural period."

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    Chapter markers:
    00:33 Intro
    01:48 Architecture and the surrounding landscape
    05:12 “Making Dystopia”: how modernism came about
    10:35 Gropius, Miese and Le Corbusier
    12:41 Pevsner: “modern architecture should be totalitarian”
    16:06 Totalitarian mindset and the Nazi connection
    25:42 Modernist bullying and idolatry
    32:38 Abandoned churches and falsification of history
    44:04 The gothic style
    48:33 The language of classical architecture
    51:06 Defining beauty
    56:56 Modernism: a disaster in every way
    1:00:16 Good examples
    1:07:03 Modern architecture and sculpture
    1:10:26 Modernism and corruption
    1:14:24 “Making Dystopia” and Curl's students
    1:20:04 The role of architectural history and King Charles
    1:26:42 Not just one style

    This episode featured James Stevens Curl & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was, on the left: a brown high-rise building
    under clear blue sky (photo: Dids) and on the right: St Mary's Church, Studley Royal Deer Park.
    (photo: Nicks-2017)

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    • 1 hr 36 min
    Sturla Ellingvåg on Vikings, Norse Myths, Genetic Memory & Connecting the Longer Lines in History

    Sturla Ellingvåg on Vikings, Norse Myths, Genetic Memory & Connecting the Longer Lines in History

    Sturla Ellingvåg is the historian behind @VikingStories .
    He is is currently collaborating in DNA-projects with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.
    He traces the roots of the Viking Age back to the Bronze Age and beyond, and also sees the earliest Viking raids as a pre-emptive defense against the onslaught of the "sword Christendom" of the Emperor Charlemagne. Ellingvåg takes us through Norse mythology, its connection to Greek mythology and society and how it may reflect reality in unexpected ways.
    Were the Norse Gods actually historical human beings and did the Vikings become more resilient through their stories? Join us as we delve into the Norse sense of life and discuss the power of their stories.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:31 Introducing Ellingvåg
    01:04 Thinking across time
    04:57 The Pre-emptive warfare of the vikings
    10:27 Vikings: Democracy and Individualism
    16:06 Elite marriage and "blue blood"
    19:01 English Law is Norman Law
    22:06 Starkad and the viking mentality
    27:57 Scandinavian-Mediterranean contact
    36:25 Scandinavian virgins at the Oracle of Delphi
    43:51 Height differences and the sun winning over darkness
    47:37 Norse gods: actual historical peoples?
    53:57 The blood brothers Odin and Loke
    56:15 Catastrophes cemented in myths
    59:47 Metamorphosis of gods over time
    1:05:31 Odin's search for knowledge
    1:10:03 Shamanic journeys and living like animals
    1:13:47 Genetic memory and canalization
    1:19:53 Reconnecting through mythology
    1:24:45 Ragnarok & Regeneration

    This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a reproduction of the painting "Tor's fight with the Giants" (1872) by Mårten Eskil Winge.

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    • 1 hr 32 min
    Employing Symbols in Paintings - What to Do and Avoid to Make a Credible Story on the Canvas

    Employing Symbols in Paintings - What to Do and Avoid to Make a Credible Story on the Canvas

    Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jannik Hösel and William Heimdal to discuss how symbols should be treated in a narrative painting

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Symbolism must be grounded in reality
    03:03 Can you paint dragons and angels?
    10:58 Psychological tension without obvious symbols
    13:56 Faithful to biblical stories?
    22:05 The case for illustration
    26:49 Andrew Wyeth and the miracle of the everyday
    27:44 Follow your character
    32:39 The mythic potential of the motif
    34:18 Archetypes and manipulating proportions: a platonic approach?
    38:41 Natural, not intellectual symbols
    45:52 Allegories
    48:07 Theophanes' icons and contour lines
    50:40 Paradise is present
    54:46 Attributing symbolic value to things
    58:48 Sometimes the face is enough (Olga Boznanska)
    1:01:45 Why masterpieces are always calm
    1:07:11 Christ crucified… in Eden

    This episode featured Ruben Hanssen & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a photograph of Azaria Civic Hall in Cayala, Guatemala by Ruben Hanssen.

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    • 1 hr 14 min
    Explaining Postmodernism & Immanuel Kant's Frontal Assault on Classical Culture | Stephen Hicks

    Explaining Postmodernism & Immanuel Kant's Frontal Assault on Classical Culture | Stephen Hicks

    Stephen Hicks is a professor of philosophy at Rockford University, U.S. and the author of several books, including the best-seller Explaining Postmodernism, which details the philosophical roots of today’s cultural climate. Mr. Hicks highlights Immanuel Kant's role in undermining objectivity and reason, showing how his ideas remain the corner stone of Post Modernism and "Fine Art" to this day.

    Giving an overview of Kant's aesthetics, metaphysics and epistemology, the conversation further explains how this cocktail necessarily cripples classically minded people:
    If we cannot know reality then the act of painting it becomes naive. If nothing is objective then we cannot trust the rules of any craft and if nothing is universal then we become estranged from the mythic perspective.

    You can listen to Hicks' lecture How Art Became Ugly or check out his appearances on various podcasts including his own Open College Podcast.
    His official YouTube-channel is CEE Channel (Center for Ethics and Entrepreneurship).

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    Chapter markers:
    00:30 Introducing Stephen Hicks
    01:13 "Explaining Postmodernism" & the Enlightenment
    04:59 The "Counter-Enlightenment" defense of irrationality
    08:54 Dissolving reason and the individual
    12:46 Postmodern philosophers
    15:58 Arthur Danto, Clement Greenberg & Jackson Pollock
    17:35 Kant's Metaphysics: we cannot know reality as it is
    23:34 No voluptuous women, no muscular men
    26:12 Turning concepts against themselves
    27:07 Kant's Epistemology and the devaluation of classical painting
    33:31 Quotation mark bonanza
    35:30 Munch's green sky
    40:01 Modernistic art: a grooming ground for Kantianism
    41:26 The representational project must be abandoned
    43:21 Kant's Aesthetics: the sublime
    49:15 The sublime lets us access "real reality"
    50:50 Romantic art and the sublime
    52:59 Anti everything & the greatest compliment ever!
    55:20 Kant undercuts the possibility of being classical
    56:38 Jack Unterweger: a mass murderer genius?
    59:58 Expressionism and Cubism: products of Kant?
    1:03:08 Originality hinders your development
    1:07:03 Aesthetic indifference negates the eternal perspective
    1:10:59 Thou shalt not make any "graven image"
    1:14:44 Disintegration and destruction of classical values
    1:19:23 "Spirituality" or "reality"?
    1:22:35 Read Kant to break out of the modernist box
    1:30:05 The painter who stopped painting after reading Kant
    1:30:33 Aristotle is the greatest philosophical genius of all time

    This episode featured Stephen Hicks and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a reproduction of Johann Christoph Frisch's 1768 oil painting of Immanuel Kant.

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    • 1 hr 35 min

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