The Cave of Apelles Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum
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Long form conversations on culture, myths, and philosophy.
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Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology
Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his YouTube-channel @Crecganford .
Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the Indo-Europeans lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppes about 7000 years ago, how did their stories spread to ancient India, Persia, Rome or Norse Scandinavia - changing, yet still retaining their core?
Combining the study of myths with fields like linguistics, archeology and etymology Mr. White will unravel cross-cultural similarities in stories like The Cosmic Twins, Defeating the dragon, The cattle raiding myth and The wild hunt.
He will also share his ideas on how we best are to understand myths. Are they projections of the human psyche, the condensed ethos of a culture or symbolic manifestations of natural and cultural history?
More intriguing still: is the presence of myths and archetypal images particular to Homo sapiens or have they been transferred between human species?
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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro
01:27 Who is Jon White?
04:21 Defining “myth"
11:57 The Indo-European creation myth and sacrifice of the cow
19:22 Who were the Indo-Europeans?
24:06 The academic study of myths
30:18 Cattle, three-headed monsters and Twins of creation
37:36 “Fame does not decay” - the magic of writing
41:00 Over 70 000 years of fighting the dragon
45:59 From cows to women - the problem of translation
50:27 The veracity of the poetic and prose Edda
56:27 The divine twins vs the creation twins
1:00:11 Defining “archetype”
1:04:31 What is NOT Indo-European?
1:06:25 Mythology and mindset
1:08:29 Inuit myths, and stars as protagonists
1:13:41 Ways of understanding myth
1:16:51 Polytheist vs monotheist worldviews?
1:21:25 Myths as projection of the human psyche?
1:31:39 Myths as condensed images
1:34:17 Pre-human myths?
This episode featured Jon F. White & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of "Sleeping Twins" by Odd Nerdrum.
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19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book
What happened in the cultural life in 19th century France that lead to the rise of avant-garde art in America? Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Michael Pearce to review his book Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde.
The book is available here:
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00:00 "Bohemian" and irresponsible?
03:16 The origin of "Bohemian"
06:47 Courbet - an old-master "modernist"
09:10 Courbet's loyalty to the time
15:48 Science and industrialization killed poetry
18:40 Proudhon, and the marriage of art and socialism
23:12 Courbet's attack on classical values
29:33 Victor Hugo: the sublime, sensual and sentimental
36:15 A Bohemian, ludicrous way of dying
39:36 Theophile Gautier's l'Art pour l'Art, psychedelics, spiritism and theosophy
42:47 Zola: modernist or classical?
48:26 Manet, the father of avant-garde modern art
54:10 Zola's "hour of demolition"
1:00:40 The Hippie movement
1:03:51 How to be a REAL Bohemian
1:07:50 Zola's isolated artists
1:13:58 Myths: the core classical value
1:16:19 The coquette Romantic?
This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.
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Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce
Michael Pearce is a writer, painter, teacher and curator, as well as the founder of The Representational Art Conference (TRAC). His book "Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde" uncovers one thing Lenin, Hitler and Roosevelt had in common:
A keen eye for art as state propaganda.
Avoiding the old-fashioned vs modern dichotomy, Pearce shows the cultural historical roots of employing both figurative and abstract painting to further political correctness.
Pearce traces it back to 19th century socialist thinking, and goes in-depth on the ideas of philosophers like Proudhon and Saint-Simon, as well as the protests of Emile Zola.
First and foremost, however, he shows how the the American government and a few wealthy families made Avant-garde art into the preferred art form of the 20th century, casting it as the antidote to the sentimentality of kitsch.
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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro
01:32 Understanding Kitsch and the Avant-Garde
05:01 Who is Michael Pearce?
08:06 The proto-Communist Avant-Garde
12:47 Proudhon's authoritarian state art
16:22 Proudhon on Courbet and aesthetic ideals
22:02 Courbet, Repin, and Russian realism
23:25 The Bohemian Avant-Garde
26:00 Emile Zola's individualism vs Proudhon
29:59 Capturing the Zeitgeist
33:50 The battle between Avant-Gardes in Soviet Russia
41:49 An individualist Avant-Garde?
42:43 Socialist Realism in the USSR and the USSA
45:36 Nazi art vs Roosevelt's path
47:46 Socialism and the art of the enemy
50:20 Hitler's qualities as a painter
52:19 Degenerate Art and House of German Art
57:25 The sentimental art of the enemy
59:45 The propagandist Nelson Rockefeller
1:02:24 The figurative/kitsch/Hitler connection
1:06:37 Greenberg's essay Avant-Garde and Kitsch
1:11:37 Nazi art: kitsch or bona fide modernism?
1:20:11 Primitive American art as the mother of modernism
1:26:33 Roosevelt & the marriage of USSA and MoMA
1:30:04 The current situation in the art world
1:35:56 The American illustration tradition and escapism
1:38:37 Fergus Ryan: What is "Imaginative realism"?
1:40:37 Fergus Ryan:: What is "emergence" in painting?
1:43:59 Question: Is there a refuge for the human spirit?
This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of Courbets painting of Proudhon and his children.
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Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three
Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into Norse mythology.
Ellingvåg is the historian behind the YouTube-channel Viking Stories .
He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.
Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q81uTkxnsY
Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXjioACKt8
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Chapter markers:
00:00 Bridges, wells and guardians
02:04 Shamanic journey and disentanglement
08:40 Wisdom literature
11:10 Struggles and Loki as hero
17:25 Gods exposed to laws of nature
20:34 Odin: ferryman or Attila the Hun?
26:58 Odin & The spear dancer
30:00 Was Odin crucified or hanged?
32:40 What the next Ragnarök will look like
42:37 The 4.2k event
43:56 Religion and more totalitarian societies
45:54 Will your work survive future regimes? Bulgakov and Solzhenitsyn
51:39 The optimism of the Poetic Edda
This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.
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Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter
Seth Fite is a classical painter born in England, who grew up in the United States. From the new world, he is inspired by American Golden Age illustrators, Andrew and N. C. Wyeth, and the Cincinnati master Frank Duveneck. From the old world, he has studied masters such as Rembrandt and Velasquez. In 2019 he was a student of Odd Nerdrum.
Fite has been told to "find his own voice" and "do something new", as well as other clichés, but he sees little use of this. He strives to strike the vulnerable spot of humankind, the same spot found by masters before him.
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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro
01:49 Illustration and old masters
06:28 The spirit of Andrew Wyeth
11:22 Getting to know the model
15:36 "Make the eyes more sad"
22:14 Painting from memory
27:09 Andrew Wyeth's status today
30:07 The Bible, and finding the divine in things
35:43 Painting biblical motifs
40:32 Comparing Kierkegaard and Nerdrum
45:48 Reflecting the times is superficial
50:47 Nerdrum destroyed the "Art" word for me
53:17 "Sincere", "true" and "genuine"?
57:30 Joy in recognition
1:06:48 Beauty brings melancholy
1:12:32 Andrew Wyeth's popularity in the East
1:16:12 Something "below" or "behind" the motif?
1:20:07 Stuck in ancient problems
This episode featured Seth Fite & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The wall featured two paintings by Seth Fite.
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Mushrooms & Shamanic Wisdom, Sacred Trees and the Number Nine | Norse Mythology Pt. 2
Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into Norse mythology.
Ellingvåg is the historian behind @VikingStories .
He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.
Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q81uTkxnsY
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00:00 Norse creation myths
04:33 Attacking sacred trees: Yggdrasil & Irminsul
14:23 Ragnarok - the world ending is not the end of the world
18:26 "Asia Men" & the Germanic world view
23:09 Odin's wisdom & travels to the underworld
29:18 Wells, bridges, the number nine & Saros' cycles
37:40 Did "Hyperboreans" teach the Greeks?
46:11 Scandinavia, Greece and tripping reindeer
49:50 Fighting and dancing to acquire wisdom
53:25 Inuit & Sami stories: helping spirits and singing
58:05 Dancing, fasting and being more dead than alive
1:05:37 Odin's words to his dead son
This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.
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