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The Cave of Apelles Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum

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Long form conversations on culture, myths, and philosophy.

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    Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3

    Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3

    Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture.

    Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg
    Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Biggest takeaways so far
    05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm
    08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts
    10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“
    12:12 Art as religion
    19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes
    24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom
    27:29 “The descent of the artisan“
    34:41 Architecture: art or craft…?
    41:49 The term “disinterestedness“
    45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“
    48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat?
    55:40 Modernism 1890-1930
    1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles
    1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“
    1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division
    1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative?
    1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts

    This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel.
    The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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    • 1 hr 34 min
    Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities

    Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities

    Dr. Nir Buras is a leading new traditional architect and urbanist, founder of the Classic Planning Institute, and author of The Art of Classic Planning. He designs towns, cities and buildings, and speaks about some of the most interesting developments in the world of architecture and planning and where we might find ourselves in the future.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Intro
    01:30 Buras & the Classic Planning Institute (CPI)
    04:43 Projects and subdivisions of CPI
    09:02 CPI's partners, seminars and live events
    11:00 Horseshit, conflict and modern city planning
    15:07 Cars and modern city planning
    19:01 Three scenarios for our cities
    22:33 The "Golden Age" in all cultures
    26:01 What is wrong with the modern city
    37:46 A holistic vs problem solving method
    48:20 Place making is memory-making
    57:22 Can a city have cars in it?
    1:06:43 Traffic in Rome, Rio de Janeiro and New York
    1:10:23 Town and country
    1:14:41 CPI and the Anacostia River Masterplan
    1:24:45 The impact of using hands on the brain
    1:29:35 An eight generations horizon
    1:32:10 Olympic Games for handcraft
    1:35:24 The Anacostia project and Paris' Île de la Cité
    1:42:03 Daniel Burnham: “Make no small plans”
    1:46:28 Burnham's six categories for town planning
    1:51:55 The symbolism of where you place buildings
    1:58:50 Getting cars off the streets
    1: 01:42 The future of modernism is classical

    This episode featured Dr. Nir Buras & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a photograph of the Anacostia Riverfront render design by Dr. Buras & The Classic Planning Institute.

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    • 2 hrs 9 min
    Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv

    Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv

    Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jon White from the Crecganford YouTube-channel and Sturla Ellingvåg from the Viking Stories YouTube-channel to discuss the nature of myths.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Thinking a-historically
    03:33 From ritual to listening
    08:48 Replacing pagan holidays and rituals
    15:39 Changes in myths
    22:26 Tactius' Germania, the Poetic Edda and the Kalevala
    26:19 Sacred truths make stories last
    33:14 Cut off from your traditions
    39:28 Looking at history as a whole
    44:17 A perfect product for corporate business?
    48:36 Picking the shiny thing
    52:32 Back to basic human stories
    57:36 Participating in the story
    1:02:58 Do what has worked before
    1:05:46 Irony in eternal stories
    1:07:18 Society after the cyclical disasters
    1:13:18 Agriculture gives us cyclical myths
    1:19:40 Recurring themes in myth

    This episode featured Jon F. White, Jan-Ove Tuv & Sturla Ellingvåg and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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    • 1 hr 26 min
    Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology

    Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology

    Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his YouTube-channel @Crecganford .
    Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the Indo-Europeans lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppes about 7000 years ago, how did their stories spread to ancient India, Persia, Rome or Norse Scandinavia - changing, yet still retaining their core?
    Combining the study of myths with fields like linguistics, archeology and etymology Mr. White will unravel cross-cultural similarities in stories like The Cosmic Twins, Defeating the dragon, The cattle raiding myth and The wild hunt.
    He will also share his ideas on how we best are to understand myths. Are they projections of the human psyche, the condensed ethos of a culture or symbolic manifestations of natural and cultural history?
    More intriguing still: is the presence of myths and archetypal images particular to Homo sapiens or have they been transferred between human species?

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Intro
    01:27 Who is Jon White?
    04:21 Defining “myth"
    11:57 The Indo-European creation myth and sacrifice of the cow
    19:22 Who were the Indo-Europeans?
    24:06 The academic study of myths
    30:18 Cattle, three-headed monsters and Twins of creation
    37:36 “Fame does not decay” - the magic of writing
    41:00 Over 70 000 years of fighting the dragon
    45:59 From cows to women - the problem of translation
    50:27 The veracity of the poetic and prose Edda
    56:27 The divine twins vs the creation twins
    1:00:11 Defining “archetype”
    1:04:31 What is NOT Indo-European?
    1:06:25 Mythology and mindset
    1:08:29 Inuit myths, and stars as protagonists
    1:13:41 Ways of understanding myth
    1:16:51 Polytheist vs monotheist worldviews?
    1:21:25 Myths as projection of the human psyche?
    1:31:39 Myths as condensed images
    1:34:17 Pre-human myths?

    This episode featured Jon F. White & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a reproduction of "Sleeping Twins" by Odd Nerdrum.

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    • 1 hr 44 min
    19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book

    19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book

    What happened in the cultural life in 19th century France that lead to the rise of avant-garde art in America? Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Michael Pearce to review his book Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde.

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    00:00 "Bohemian" and irresponsible?
    03:16 The origin of "Bohemian"
    06:47 Courbet - an old-master "modernist"
    09:10 Courbet's loyalty to the time
    15:48 Science and industrialization killed poetry
    18:40 Proudhon, and the marriage of art and socialism
    23:12 Courbet's attack on classical values
    29:33 Victor Hugo: the sublime, sensual and sentimental
    36:15 A Bohemian, ludicrous way of dying
    39:36 Theophile Gautier's l'Art pour l'Art, psychedelics, spiritism and theosophy
    42:47 Zola: modernist or classical?
    48:26 Manet, the father of avant-garde modern art
    54:10 Zola's "hour of demolition"
    1:00:40 The Hippie movement
    1:03:51 How to be a REAL Bohemian
    1:07:50 Zola's isolated artists
    1:13:58 Myths: the core classical value
    1:16:19 The coquette Romantic?

    This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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    • 1 hr 19 min
    Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce

    Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce

    Michael Pearce is a writer, painter, teacher and curator, as well as the founder of The Representational Art Conference (TRAC). His book "Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde" uncovers one thing Lenin, Hitler and Roosevelt had in common:
    A keen eye for art as state propaganda.
    Avoiding the old-fashioned vs modern dichotomy, Pearce shows the cultural historical roots of employing both figurative and abstract painting to further political correctness.
    Pearce traces it back to 19th century socialist thinking, and goes in-depth on the ideas of philosophers like Proudhon and Saint-Simon, as well as the protests of Emile Zola.
    First and foremost, however, he shows how the the American government and a few wealthy families made Avant-garde art into the preferred art form of the 20th century, casting it as the antidote to the sentimentality of kitsch.

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    Chapter markers:
    00:00 Intro
    01:32 Understanding Kitsch and the Avant-Garde
    05:01 Who is Michael Pearce?
    08:06 The proto-Communist Avant-Garde
    12:47 Proudhon's authoritarian state art
    16:22 Proudhon on Courbet and aesthetic ideals
    22:02 Courbet, Repin, and Russian realism
    23:25 The Bohemian Avant-Garde
    26:00 Emile Zola's individualism vs Proudhon
    29:59 Capturing the Zeitgeist
    33:50 The battle between Avant-Gardes in Soviet Russia
    41:49 An individualist Avant-Garde?
    42:43 Socialist Realism in the USSR and the USSA
    45:36 Nazi art vs Roosevelt's path
    47:46 Socialism and the art of the enemy
    50:20 Hitler's qualities as a painter
    52:19 Degenerate Art and House of German Art
    57:25 The sentimental art of the enemy
    59:45 The propagandist Nelson Rockefeller
    1:02:24 The figurative/kitsch/Hitler connection
    1:06:37 Greenberg's essay Avant-Garde and Kitsch
    1:11:37 Nazi art: kitsch or bona fide modernism?
    1:20:11 Primitive American art as the mother of modernism
    1:26:33 Roosevelt & the marriage of USSA and MoMA
    1:30:04 The current situation in the art world
    1:35:56 The American illustration tradition and escapism
    1:38:37 Fergus Ryan: What is "Imaginative realism"?
    1:40:37 Fergus Ryan:: What is "emergence" in painting?
    1:43:59 Question: Is there a refuge for the human spirit?

    This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
    The centerpiece was a reproduction of Courbets painting of Proudhon and his children.

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    • 1 hr 49 min

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