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As a pastor or ministry leader, you have a high calling. And yet, the expectations of your role and the unique challenges you face in ministry can wear you down and wipe you out.

How can you lead effectively and courageously to carry out what God has called you to do?

Let's chat, pastor to pastor.

Join Conferece Minister, Rob Thiessen, as he explores the unique challenges of ministry with local pastors, scholars, experts, and other special guests from within the Mennonite Brethren community. Brought to you by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches (BCMB), the Pastor to Pastor Podcast will explore how to maintain healthy boundaries, how to dig into conflict and uncomfortable moments in ministry, and grapple with other issues in our world today.

The local church has been entrusted with the good news of Jesus Christ, so let's encourage and equip one another to be faithful and effective in our leadership.

BCMB Pastor to Pastor British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches

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As a pastor or ministry leader, you have a high calling. And yet, the expectations of your role and the unique challenges you face in ministry can wear you down and wipe you out.

How can you lead effectively and courageously to carry out what God has called you to do?

Let's chat, pastor to pastor.

Join Conferece Minister, Rob Thiessen, as he explores the unique challenges of ministry with local pastors, scholars, experts, and other special guests from within the Mennonite Brethren community. Brought to you by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches (BCMB), the Pastor to Pastor Podcast will explore how to maintain healthy boundaries, how to dig into conflict and uncomfortable moments in ministry, and grapple with other issues in our world today.

The local church has been entrusted with the good news of Jesus Christ, so let's encourage and equip one another to be faithful and effective in our leadership.

    #12 – Curious Conversations in a Safe Place: LGBTQ+ and the Church with Journey Canada ft. Mardi Dolfo-Smith & Kirsten Rumary

    #12 – Curious Conversations in a Safe Place: LGBTQ+ and the Church with Journey Canada ft. Mardi Dolfo-Smith & Kirsten Rumary

    And so, again, that kept me silent…I left faith as a teenager because there was nowhere to go and faith seemed irrelevant in light of my life circumstances. – Kirsten Rumary

    This is a real hot-button issue in our culture today, and yet we are called to live in this world but not to be conformed to it. With the multitude of messages being blasted at us through media, music, school, and so many places…how do we navigate these topics in our churches and in our families? Is there a way to have helpful, meaningful conversations around sexuality and gender identity, while holding to our beliefs as MB pastors or as Christian parents?

    …trying to foster curious conversations while communicating a Christian vision. So talking more about what we’re for than what we’re against and what God’s good plan is for sexuality in a positive way with kids is really important. – Mardi Dolfo-Smith

    Join Rob Thiessen as he tackles this topic with two individuals from Journey Canada, Kirsten Rumary and Mardi Dolfo-Smith. They have some great ideas about ways that we can engage with the LGBT+ community through respectful dialogue, and ways for churches to begin incorporating this into their ministries, as well as a wealth of resources to recommend.
    Topics Covered include:

    What is Journey Canada?
    When kids begin to question sexuality and gender identity
    What pastors and parents can do to change their approach
    How to have a curious conversation
    How to foster a safe place
    Mistakes we can make in actions or words

    Show Notes:

    Journey Canada
    Living Out – British group of same-sex attracted pastors / resources
    The Center for Faith, Sexuality and Gender – Preston Sprinkle
    Understanding Sexual Identity: A Resource for Youth Ministry – Mark Yarhouse
    Space at the Table: Conversations Between an Evangelical Theologian and His Gay Son – Brad and Drew Harper
    Messy Journey: How Grace & Truth Offer the Prodigal a Way Home – Lori Wildenberg



     
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    BCMB 012 - Curious Conversations in a Safe Place.mp3 transcript powered by Sonix—the best audio to text transcription serviceBCMB 012 - Curious Conversations in a Safe Place.mp3 was automatically transcribed by Sonix with the latest audio-to-text algorithms. This transcript may contain errors. Sonix is the best way to convert your audio to text in 2019. Mardi Dolfo-Smith: I think kids very early on, through school, through media, are being exposed to a vision of sexuality that's really different than a Christian vision of sexuality. Let's talk about what we saw. What do you think that was trying to communicate? How would God see that or what is God's perspective on that? So I think having those kind of curious conversations as opposed to judgmental conversations might be a good way to go. Kids are smart.Kirsten Rumary: Yeah, I think creating a culture within the home where it's safe to have conversations about all of life's experiences is really helpful. And I think for families, that's also...for Christian families, that's also supported within a church dynamic as well.BCMB Intro: Welcome to the BCMB podcast, Pastor to Pastor. This is a podcast by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches. We want to help equip and encourage pastors, churches and anyone else who wants to listen in and be more effective in their ministry. This is Episode Twelve Curious Conversations in a Safe Place with Marty and Kirsten from Journey Canada.Rob Thiessen: Hey, everyone, it's Rob Thiessen here, welcome to the BCMB podcast by Pastors for Pastors, and we're really excited to have a couple of guests with us today, and big welcome here to Marty and to Kirsten. And our topic today is, I think one that's not controversial, but a pretty live, raw issue for us in churches and something we really need help on, I think as pastors. I know I, personally, have a

    • 39 min
    #11 – When You’re Running on Empty: Burnout in Ministry ft. Bob & Penny Armstrong

    #11 – When You’re Running on Empty: Burnout in Ministry ft. Bob & Penny Armstrong

    When you have too much stress going on in your life, it looks like a lot of over-engagement. Burnout, on the other hand, is a disengagement. So if you were the person holding up the plates, the plates are now on the ground. You may have laid them down yourself or they’ve crashed to the ground. – Penny Armstrong

    Do you know the signs?
    We all have days when we feel tired, low on energy, or discouraged, but how do we know when those things point to a deeper problem? If you are working alongside or in relationship with a pastor or other leader in Ministry, how can you recognize the signs of a struggle? What can you do about it?
    This episode hits home for many of us who work in a ministry setting (and maybe even those who don’t). Burnout, stress, fatigue, depression, are terms we are hearing more and more these days.
    According to the The Fuller Institute, George Barna, Lifeway, Schaeffer Institute of Leadership Development, and Pastoral Care Inc.(Pastoral Care Inc website):
    57% of pastors feel fulfilled but yet discouraged, stressed, and fatigued.
    78% of pastors report having their vacation and personal time interrupted with ministry duties or expectations.
    1 out of every 10 pastors will actually retire as a pastor.
     
    Listen in to Rob Thiessen’s discussion with Bob & Penny Armstrong from Oasis Ministries, as they dive in to the nitty gritty of burnout. Find out how “Friends don’t let friends burnout”.
    Topics Covered Include:

    What is the definition of ‘burnout’?
    Some signs that you or someone you know may be experiencing or approaching burnout
    Things we can do to avoid burnout
    Resources for those who need help in this area

     
    Show Notes

    Couple Care: Marriage Preparation Manual
    John Caplin
    Oasis Ministries
    Fairhaven Retreat Centre

















    BCMB 011 - Burnout with Bob and Penny Armstrong.mp3 transcript powered by Sonix—the best audio to text transcription serviceBCMB 011 - Burnout with Bob and Penny Armstrong.mp3 was automatically transcribed by Sonix with the latest audio-to-text algorithms. This transcript may contain errors. Sonix is the best way to convert your audio to text in 2019. Bob Armstrong: Burnout is a state of emotion, mental and physical exhaustion caused by excessive and prolonged stress. It occurs when you feel overwhelmed and unable to meet constant demands and as the stress continues, you begin to lose interest or motivation that led you to take on a certain role in the first place.Penny Armstrong: When you have too much stress going on in your life, it looks like a lot of over-engagement. Burnout, on the other hand, is a disengagement. So if you were the person holding up the plates, the plates are now on the ground. You may have laid them down yourself or they've crashed to the ground.BCMB Intro: Welcome to the BCMB podcast, Pastor to Pastor. This is a podcast by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches. We want to help equip and encourage pastors, churches and anyone else who wants to listen in and be more effective in their ministry. This is Episode Eleven "Burnout" with Bob and Penny Armstrong.Rob Thiessen: Hey everyone! Want to welcome you to the BCMB podcast. A podcast by Pastors for Pastors. My name is Rob Thiessen, the conference pastor for the BC Mennonite Brethren Churches. And we are glad that you're with us today. We're excited about our guests today, Bob and Penny Armstrong, who have a long ministry history in our own local community here. And I got to know them years ago as I was pastoring in Langley and they were also pastoring the Salvation Army Church in Langley, a church that they had planted, or in Willowby area specifically. So tell us a little bit about your ministry history and then bring us up to date with the current ministry you're in, The Oasis, that we'll talk about.Bob Armstrong: So, we've been in ministry for 28 years

    • 43 min
    #10 – No One Left Unchanged: Multicultural Ministries ft. Brian Stewart and Rachel Wilson

    #10 – No One Left Unchanged: Multicultural Ministries ft. Brian Stewart and Rachel Wilson

    …the gospel has to be as true for someone in a different culture and a different life situation, it has to be as powerful for them, as it is for me – even though we have different backgrounds. – Rachel Wilson

    The Spring Institute describes the differences between these terms:

    Multicultural refers to a society that contains several cultural or ethnic groups.  People live alongside one another, but each cultural group does not necessarily have engaging interactions with each other.  For example, in a multicultural neighborhood people may frequent ethnic grocery stores and restaurants without really interacting with their neighbors from other countries.
    Cross-cultural deals with the comparison of different cultures.  In cross-cultural communication, differences are understood and acknowledged, and can bring about individual change, but not collective transformations. In cross-cultural societies, one culture is often considered “the norm” and all other cultures are compared or contrasted to the dominant culture.
    Intercultural describes communities in which there is a deep understanding and respect for all cultures. Intercultural communication focuses on the mutual exchange of ideas and cultural norms and the development of deep relationships. In an intercultural society, no one is left unchanged because everyone learns from one another and grows together.

    How is your church reaching into the community around and within itself? Do you do multicultural ministry or intercultural ministry? How can you be more effective and engaging within your unique setting and demographic?
    In this episode, Rob Thiessen discusses how 2 of our BCMB churches are handling intercultural ministry, with guests: Brian Stewart (The Life Centre) and Rachel Wilson (Church on Five)
    Topics discussed:

    What does multicultural/intercultural mean?
    Examples/ways to increase your church’s diversity and reach
    Benefits of intentional intercultural ministry
    Challenges to multicultural leadership
    Importance of being intentional

    Show Notes (books mentioned in the episode):

    John Ortberg: I’d Like You More If You Were More Like Me: Getting Real About Getting Close
    Erin Meyer: The Culture Map: Breaking Through the Invisible Barrier of Global Business

     















    BCMB 010 - Multicultural Ministries.mp3 transcript powered by Sonix—the best audio to text transcription serviceBCMB 010 - Multicultural Ministries.mp3 was automatically transcribed by Sonix with the latest audio-to-text algorithms. This transcript may contain errors. Sonix is the best way to convert your audio to text in 2019. Rachel Wilson: I lived in the United States for 12 years, and now I'm back in Canada. But as a Caucasian North American, you were raised in a very individualistic culture. And yet, the Bible speaks into a very communal culture. And so this is one of those areas where, if I am only worshipping with people who look like me and were raised like me, I'm going to miss part of what the gospel is saying. It's going to be easy for me to misinterpret things and I'm going to miss parts of who God is.Brian Stewart: Yeah. For different cultures, you really need to understand and welcome how they process things and just keep that in mind. And at the same time, try to think, you know, I don't know everything.BCMB Intro: Welcome to the BCMB podcast. Pastor to Pastor, this is a podcast by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches. We want to help equip and encourage pastors, churches and anyone else who wants to listen in and be more effective in their ministry. This is Episode 10, Multicultural Ministries, with Rachel Wilson and Brian Stewart.Rob Thiessen: All right. Hey, everyone, welcome to the BCMB podcast. A podcast by Pastors for Pastors. My name is Rob Thiessen. I'm the conference minister for the BC Mennonite Brethren churches. And

    • 37 min
    #9 – Authentic Engagement in the Body of Christ: Baptism, Membership, and Discipleship ft. John Neufeld

    #9 – Authentic Engagement in the Body of Christ: Baptism, Membership, and Discipleship ft. John Neufeld

    We had received both the benefits and the troubles that that pattern of community life would bring. You actually have to then teach about what the nature of body life is, you have to talk about what it means to be in Christ. Words like “koinonia” and “oikos” mean something. And to have spiritual gifts that are for the building of the body means something. And we actually had to biblically frame what membership meant. And so we started to do more of that, so that we could actually strengthen the discipleship process – moving people from baptism to wanting to actually be part of our covenant community membership. – John Neufeld
    How does your church deal with the interplay of membership and baptism? How does this method work in the greater framework of discipleship?
    Join Rob and his guest, John Neufeld, from The Meeting Place church in Manitoba, as they look at what baptism, membership, and discipleship  looks like in that church, and the challenges that they have faced along the way to their current framework.
    Topics covered:

    Membership and baptism, both tied and separated
    Discipleship
    Role of the Holy Spirit
    LGBTQ community engagement
    Heterosexuality and the church
    Hierarchy of sin and consequences

     









    BCMB 009 - Discipleship & Membership.mp3 transcript powered by Sonix—the best audio to text transcription serviceBCMB 009 - Discipleship & Membership.mp3 was automatically transcribed by Sonix with the latest audio-to-text algorithms. This transcript may contain errors. Sonix is the best way to convert your audio to text in 2019. John Neufeld: There was a covenant community, that they never anticipated being a large group, of people who were highly committed to the mission.John Neufeld: We had received both the benefits and the troubles that that pattern of community life would bring. You actually have to then teach about what the nature of body life is, you have to talk about what it means to be in Christ. Words like "koinonia" and "oikos" mean something. And to have spiritual gifts that are for the building of the body means something. And we actually had to biblically frame what membership meant. And so we started to do more of that, so that we could actually strengthen the discipleship process - moving people from baptism to wanting to actually be part of our covenant community membership.BCMB Intro: Welcome to the CMB podcast, Pastor to Pastor. This is a podcast by the British Columbia Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches. We want to help equip and encourage pastors, churches and anyone else who wants to listen in and be more effective in their ministry. This is Episode 9, Discipleship and Membership with John Neufeld.Rob Thiessen: Hey, everyone, it's Rob Thiessen here, I'm the conference minister for the BCMB Churches, and I want to welcome you to the BCMB podcast by Pastors for Pastors. And we're super excited today to have our first out of province guest, John Neufeld, pastor at The Meeting Place, who's joining us from his office in Manitoba via a Zoom call. So welcome. Great to have you. Great to have you with us.John Neufeld: It's a joy.Rob Thiessen: Yeah. So, John, just to start the conversation, I think a lot of people in B.C. know you, but some may not. So for our listeners, just tell us a little bit about your own journey, a snapshot of how Jesus Christ called you into ministry and how he's shaped you, maybe even a little bit about The Meeting Place.John Neufeld: Ok, well, I get out to B.C. fairly regularly because my son lives there in Langley. And so I've had the opportunity to connect with a bunch of churches in the B.C. area just because I have the joy of being there regularly. I really experienced the renewal of... I'll say, my faith came alive when I was 19 and I had two back to back dramatic experiences where where God really confronted me with my own failings and fra

    • 30 min
    #8 – Historical Mennonite Heritage Runs Deep: Faith Lessons ft. Paul & Louise Thiessen (Parents of Conf. Minister, Rob Thiessen)

    #8 – Historical Mennonite Heritage Runs Deep: Faith Lessons ft. Paul & Louise Thiessen (Parents of Conf. Minister, Rob Thiessen)

    And I thought, if I would have had a vision, it would have been much, much too small. God had a much better vision for me than I could have imagined since my background was so troublesome that I could not envision big things. ~ Paul Thiessen
    We talk about being Mennonite Brethren as a denomination and church family, but there are still a number of us around who identify also with the personal heritage that comes from being part of a family that immigrated here as Mennonites from other countries. Sometimes it is easier to understand a denomination once you understand something about its roots.
    When was the last time you sat down with an individual from an older generation who remembers what it was like to immigrate here to Canada as a Mennonite? Maybe you’re an immigrant yourself, and can identify with some of the experiences that early Mennonite families had here.
    Join Rob and his parents as they discuss how God shows up amidst war, persecution, and trials of life. Follow their journey as they reached into their new community through Willingdon Church.

    • 44 min
    #7 – Processing, Healing, and Authentic Living: Discipleship Ministries with Freedom Session ft. Ken Dyck

    #7 – Processing, Healing, and Authentic Living: Discipleship Ministries with Freedom Session ft. Ken Dyck

    Ken Dyck, creator of Freedom Session, says “it’s really a heart journey, discipleship, unpeeling, peeling back all the layers, getting to the heart – the root issues …it takes the biblical truths that we teach on Sunday, which are all solid, and helps walk through and apply them to the core areas of our heart.”
    How many of us have taken the time to take a look in the mirror and do a self-inventory? To take stock of the major emotional times in our lives when we’ve been hurt, angered, or when we’ve done something that we are ashamed of? There’s a good chance we’ve all got moments in our past that we are not proud of, and times when we wish we could get a do-over.
    So many of us spend time at the gym or out in nature taking care of our physical bodies, but how many of us take time to care for our hearts? To heal and to grow spiritually alongside all the rest of the things we do each day? How do we, as pastors, help our discipleship ministries to grow and to target the core of our church? What does an emotionally healthy and spiritually mature person look like?
    On today’s episode, we are sitting down with The Village Church’s, Ken Dyck, who designed Freedom Session as a tool to equip churches. We will explore different ways that pastors can incorporate programs like Freedom Session into their discipleship ministries, why this type of ministry is important, and ways to avoid pitfalls that would undermine its effectiveness.

    • 30 min

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