Fashionably Late is a podcast about finding career fulfillment at any age. In this weekly podcast, Amy Rowland interviews guests who share their inspiring career stories as well as experts who give practical advice on things like how to present your best self in interviews and how to stay confident during the job search process. Remember--even if you arrive a little late, you’re right on time.
From Home Box Office to Home Sales: How Jeff Kagan and Spouse Joel Pascua Built a Successful Real Estate Agency
Today Amy speaks with realtors Jeff Kagan and Joel Pascua who are both life and business partners. The two own a growing, successful real estate agency currently operating primarily in the New Jersey and New York areas, but they are aggressively expanding. Was this thriving enterprise the result of years of planning to create a reputable agency with so many clients? Not at all! A series of life events like so many of us experience brought them to the place they enjoy so much now.
Jeff Kagan wanted to be a veterinarian when he was younger. But by the time he reached college, he chose a major in Communication Arts. Jeff earned an M.A. in Communication Arts and found a position in program scheduling at HBO. Over the next 23 years, he advanced through a variety of positions. He thought he would spend his career at the TV giant, but that was not to be. During a reorganization there, he suddenly found his position had been eliminated. Jeff began searching for another communications position, hoping to build on his lengthy resume. During a period of 3 or 4 months of job hunting and serious thought though, he regrouped. Listen to him describe to Amy how he did an amazing pivot that led to a rewarding second career.
Joel Pascua is a creative man. His earliest thoughts were about pursuing art in some way. As school years went by, he found he also loved math and science. He eventually took a nursing degree followed by an M.S. in Nursing, Community Health & Preventive Medicine. Though he loved working in the emergency room, after he earned his graduate degree, he moved into hospital administration. He, too, felt his career was on a solid track and he foresaw a predictable future. He tells Amy how Jeff’s situation impacted upon his own career and their home relationship. Joel shares how he has managed to find career satisfaction in an area that he had never previously considered.
This episode is chockful of good advice that listeners will find very useful and relatable. Both Jeff and Joel are highly motivated and have great “people” skills. They discuss how they cultivate both clients and good employees by expanding upon their social natures. They talk about working together and how Joel still keeps one foot in nursing, allowing him to have a dual career. They stress the importance of being honest and trustworthy and hiring like-minded individuals. They also expand upon how that philosophy positively impacts their clientele. In all, these two will let you in on their success secret-courage and confidence. They will inspire you to take those next steps forward if the unexpected happens. You will come away with how you should see yourself as multidimensional and capable.
Topics in this episode:
Transitioning from the corporate culture to owning a smaller business Minding your finances to allow you freedom to recreate yourself if and when the situation arises How trust, open mindedness and organizational skills play a big part in striking out on your own Some tips for staying positive during a career change How a hobby or pastime helps keep you centered and focused on your new career path
How Late Bloomer Dr. Nancy Yen Shipley Broke the Glass Ceiling as an Orthopedic Surgeon
Dr. Nancy Yen Shipley or “NancyMD,” as she’s known to those familiar with her blog, podcasts, writing and speaking engagements, is Amy’s guest today. Nancy encourages women to excel in traditionally male occupations. She helps them overcome the roadblocks they encounter on the way to fulfilling their potential and goals.
Nancy wasn’t always so focused. As an undergraduate at UCLA, she attempted pre-med initially, but wasn’t sure that she was ready to commit. Off the pre-med track, she experimented with other appealing course work. But by the end of her sophomore year, she needed to declare a major. She looked over those courses she had taken to that point and decided on a degree in psychology. Still not focused on a clear path after graduation, she found a job in the snowboarding industry and worked in event planning. During this period, she also discovered she had developed a curiosity about complementary medicine and acupuncture. It wasn’t a giant leap then for her thoughts to be rekindled about medical school.
Starting nearly from scratch as much of her relevant undergrad course work was dated, she dug in. She enrolled at Drexel University in Philadelphia at the age of 29 and finally began her medical studies. Drexel offered a problem-based curriculum with a small group format which was very interactive. She found this was just what she needed to keep her engaged. This time her focus was in place. Around her 4th year, she determined she wanted to complete a residency in orthopedic surgery. Now she was really stepping onto a non-traditional path as only 6% of orthopedic surgeons in the U.S. were women at that time. She successfully completed her studies which also included fellowship training in sports medicine and arthroscopy. She is now doing the work she loves with an orthopedic practice in Portland, Oregon.
Nancy describes herself as a Renaissance woman and a late bloomer. Although it took her what seemed like a long time on a winding road to gain focus, once she did, she realized she had many passions she wanted to explore. Today she has a fulfilling surgical practice and spends spare time with her family and her new-found interests of tennis and stand-up paddle boarding. But it is through her popular podcast, The 6%, her blog and her speaking engagements that she addresses yet one more compelling interest-the desire to inspire and encourage the next generation of women in medicine and other professions and fields. Today you will hear some of the advice she has to share that can help you, even if you too are “Fashionably Late”.
Topics in this episode:
How to trust your instincts and not be pressured into committing until you are ready How important it is to stay focused on your goals Women no longer have to take on just one role. Everyone can be multidimensional How to identify your core values and then see if your activities are enhancing those values or not How to believe it’s never too late to redefine yourself How to deal with imposter syndrome Learning to accept yourself and not always follow the expectations of others Links:
@nancymd on social media
the 6% with NancyMD on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts and Spotify
How to Land Your First Job: Tips from a 2020 Graduate
In this bonus episode, Amy wanted to highlight someone who just graduated from college and is working at her first real job. Rachel Rowland, who happens to be Amy’s niece, just began working as a staffing coordinator at TaleMed, a company that places medical professionals. Rachel is a 2020 graduate of the University of Cincinnati where she majored in Biological Sciences with a minor in Professional Sales and Chemistry. When she started college, Rachel planned to go to dental school, but in her junior year she decided to switch gears. In this episode, she shares her story and the steps she took to get a summer internship before her senior year and later, landing a full-time position. Before the end of the first semester of her senior year, in fact, she had received two job offers! She’ll also share how she crafted her very effective elevator pitch. This episode will be useful to entry-level job applicants, of course, but Rachel also has some excellent practical advice for anyone looking for a new job.
Topics in this episode
The importance of casting a wide net when looking for an internship or job How to stay resilient when job hunting Tips for writing an effective elevator pitch How to prepare for interviews What to look for in a summer internship Tips on using the skills gained in a summer internship to land a permanent job offer
Tips for Creating a Killer LinkedIn Profile with Marc Halpert
How is your LinkedIn profile? Is it in great shape, or just ok? Is it neglected, or worse, does it even exist? Today’s episode is going to help. Amy talks to Marc Halpert who is an expert LinkedIn coach and trainer. In fact, he describes himself as a “LinkedIn evangelist.” He will convince you that, with a little diligence, you can have a great LinkedIn profile that will go a long way toward getting that position that’s a perfect fit for you.
Marc describes himself as “multi-preneur”. He currently he has three companies, and his latest, Connect2Collaborate, he created in order to help job seekers expertly navigate LinkedIn to create notable profiles that help you get noticed. With his guidance, many professionals have successfully augmented their resumes with powerful LinkedIn profiles that give potential employers a real grasp of WHO the applicant truly is and WHY they are the best hire in a field of candidates.
Marc doesn’t say to throw away that resume you worked so hard to pull together. Rather, he advocates creating an outstanding LinkedIn profile to work with your resume by giving it and you, the candidate, dimension. He tells us that resumes are not memorable, but your LinkedIn profile can be. But how do you go about maximizing your profile?
You’ll want to take notes during this episode because Marc is going to give you great tips. If you are looking for ways to be that standout candidate, you’re in the right place today.
Topics in this episode:
Importance of having a LinkedIn profile which as strong as your resume Importance of being honest, direct and relevant Why and how to take full advantage of LinkedIn Tips for writing an effective headline and about section What an outstanding LinkedIn profile looks like How to use the skills section effectively Some tips for effective networking on LinkedIn How to make yourself memorable on LinkedIn How to effectively describe a prior career in your LinkedIn profile Links:
ABA Book: https://www.americanbar.org/products/inv/book/279426434/
Nonprofit Book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Them-Marketing-Professionals-Difference/dp/1719493839
Course for College Grads: https://thebestinclass.thinkific.com/courses/program
From Ad Executive to Haircare Line Co-Founder: How Lynn Power Created Her Perfect Career
In this episode Amy introduces us to Lynn Power, CEO of Masami, a clean, premium haircare line. Lynn’s career journey provides an interesting study in how risk-taking and self-awareness can be a winning combination for finding real satisfaction and fulfillment in the workplace. Lynn traveled from a receptionist’s desk to CEO of her own company and shares with us today her exhilarating trip.
Lynn graduated from Indiana University with an interesting dual major in English and criminal justice. She immediately applied to the FBI, but found herself on a long waiting list to get accepted. Eager to begin her post college career, she scoured the want ads for a job that would combine both her left brain and right brain abilities. An enticingly worded job ad caught her eye, and shortly thereafter, she became the receptionist at an ad agency. Lynn saw this as an opportunity to combine the creativity she knew she possessed with her head for business. She stayed for 3 years, paying some initial dues that would support her in the job she would take on next at Ogilvy and Mather in Chicago. While there she met her husband, and the two decided to broaden their opportunities with a move to the advertising mecca of New York City.
New York agencies such as Grey, BBDO, McCann, Arnold and J. Walter Thompson afforded Lynn years of experience and opportunities to launch or reposition such iconic brands as Gillette’s Venus, Clinique, L’Oreal, Natural Match, VIVE, Nexxus, Vichy, La Roche-Posay and St. Ives. And should you think that she only involves herself with beauty products, let me list some of the other product lines she’s lent her creativity to: American Express, Hershey’s, Campari, Kimberly-Clark, Nestle and T. Rowe Price.
Lynn has always “traded up”. She discovered that making more money and expanding her career usually means moving to another firm. She keeps an eye on her career compass and realigns when she finds herself straying from her true path. When she departed as CEO of J. Walter Thompson, then a longstanding institution in the advertising world, she found she had not been using her creative abilities as much as she would have liked. The company became embroiled in a lawsuit before her arrival, and it was left to her to deal with the consequences. After two years of less than fulfilling challenges, she departed and began a consulting partnership.
She once more found her work gratifying as her new venture attracted many new startups as clientele. It was a definite change of pace, and rewarding work helping new ventures find their footing. But six months into this new endeavor, Lynn was introduced through her husband to her current business partner. James had been employed at Clairol and had been working on his own small batch formulations of hair care products for years. He was ready to take next steps, but needed experienced help to begin a business. Together, Lynn and her new business partner planned their product launch for New York Fashion Week 2020 and ran squarely into the Covid-19 pandemic. Listen to Lynn tell Amy how the brand-new company is weathering the storm and one of the innovative strategies they are using.
Lynn offers lots of tips and insights on career building throughout the conversation. What she has to say will urge you to be decisive and fearless about making career changes. She gives some sound advice as well to those wanting to grow their own business. Her frank and honest responses let you know that’s she’s the genuine article with lots of good experience to share with you.
Topics in this episode:
Pros and cons of running your own company vs. working for someone else How to not let your age get in the way Starting at the bottom is a great way both to observe and learn. Not only will you learn about the business, but you’ll learn if it’s the right one for you Understand that movi
A Winding Path: How Dr. Marketa Wills Made Her 8th Grade Career Dream a Reality
In this episode, Amy speaks to Dr. Marketa Wills. Marketa’s impressive array of accomplishments will demonstrate how staying the course can pay big dividends in many ways.
Though probably unconsciously at first, Marketa began charting her path at the Miami Valley School in her hometown of Dayton, Ohio. As an only child with devoted parents, her education was paramount. She showed strengths in both math and science studies and her parents guided her in the direction of a career in medicine. As Marketa progressed, she realized she had another interest as well. In eighth grade, she completed a monthlong internathip at a healthcare organization and fell in love with the idea of working at the intersection of medicine and management. She began to create a career back from that vision.
With her stellar grades and work ethic, Marketa headed off to Brown University. Armed at graduation with both pre-med and sociology majors, she continued on to the University of Pennsylvania, which at the time was the only school in the country where she could pursue medical degree and an MBA. Due to the death of her mother though, she had to forego temporarily the pursuit of an MBA, and instead did a residency in psychiatry. At the end of that residency, she revisited her desire to attain an MBA. She headed back to Philadelphia and completed that goal at the Wharton School/University of Pennsylvania. Now holding both an MD and an MBA, it was finally time to apply all she had learned. But where? Doing what?
Listen to Dr. Wills describe the next phase of the journey that’s led to a career uniquely hers. Today she is not only the Senior Medical Director at Centene, the largest Medicaid managed care organization in the U.S., but she also attends to psychiatric patients at a local university in Tampa, Florida. She has co-authored a book with Dr. Carlin Barnes entitled Understanding Mental Illness: A Comprehensive Guide to Mental Health Disorders for Family and Friends. And there’s still no stopping her. She continues to derive joy in giving and making a difference. She’ll advise you on where to find that well within yourself for replenishment when you need it. Enjoy learning how keeping on track, even with momentary pauses and readjustments, can make for career fulfillment and personal happiness.
Topics in this episode:
Pausing on your path and making adjustments may become necessary but doesn’t mean you should set your career plan aside indefinitely You are responsible for your own happiness. If a person or position doesn’t contribute to your happiness, then you have choices to make Find satisfaction where you are and enjoy the ride. If you’re on your planned route, everything will work out. If you are not happy, you need to readjust either your plan or yourself A conscious plan with short-term, midterm and long-range goals is a good way to keep focused. Marketa referred to her “bucket list” which were her goals When you have gained all the necessary tools, you might be able to choose where you want to work rather than have the job dictate to you where you will work; With all of her experience, Marketa was able to choose where she wanted to live because she knew she had all the tools necessary to get a good position Trust yourself and your instincts
Understanding Mental Illness: A Comprehensive Guide to Mental Health Disorders for Family and Friends can be found at https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mental-Illness-Comprehensive-Disorders/dp/1510745947/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=marketa+wills&qid=1598302439&sr=8-1