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Conversations with figures shaping 21st century culture from Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst's studio in Berlin.

Interdependence Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst

    • Music Commentary

Conversations with figures shaping 21st century culture from Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst's studio in Berlin.

    Interdependence 7 : Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)

    Interdependence 7 : Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)

    In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the RadicalxChange Foundation, who recently held a conference in which we were speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister of Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others. Head over to RadicalxChange.org and look out for the deep list of archived talks.

    • 47 min
    Interdependence 2: AI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré

    Interdependence 2: AI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré

    We are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership.

    This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is often the first to feel the tremors for greater economic earthquakes, so it feels like an important conversation to jump into!

    • 43 min
    Interdependence 001. Evgeny Morozov

    Interdependence 001. Evgeny Morozov

    Evgeny Morozov joins to discuss COVID solutionism, left imagination and organizing the world's information with The Syllabus

    • 54 min
    Interdependence 8: David Turner (Penny Fractions)

    Interdependence 8: David Turner (Penny Fractions)

    In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry.

    In this episode we discuss the music industry response to Black Lives Matter, positive infrastructural proposals that could lead to long lasting and meaningful diversification, the meme music economy, lessons from ad hoc protest gatherings and sitting on a small plane with Radiohead and Silento.

    David is a deeply thoughtful and fun guest, we hope you enjoy this one!

    • 47 min
    Interdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela)

    Interdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela)

    In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud ( (http://brud.fyi/) ), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA.

    We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitable.

    • 39 min
    Interdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now)

    Interdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now)

    In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence.

    We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician.

    This episode ends rather abruptly as we got lost in conversation and Kate had to run, so forgive us for the atypical ending!

    • 47 min

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