Cold War Conversations Ian Sanders

In this comprehensive narrative, Imre recounts his life from his birth in 1936 in Hungary to his emigration to the West after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution.
He discusses the influence of his family’s Hungarian and German heritage, his father’s work in the oil industry, and the impact of World War II and communist rule on his upbringing.
The account vividly describes his education, military training, and involvement in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. He also highlights his subsequent escape to Austria and eventual resettlement in England including living with Bridget’s parents who featured in episode 322  
Imre elaborates on the hardships faced by his family due to political changes and the repressive regime, as well as his educational and professional journey in the UK, culminating in a successful international career.
His narrative provides a poignant look at the personal ramifications of leaving your country and the impact on relatives left behind.
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Listen to Bridget’s story here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode322/
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In this riveting account, Tilo recounts his experiences as an East German soldier during the final months of East Germany.
He details the rising political awareness among soldiers, and his fear that his unit will be asked to shoot on demonstrators also provides a personal perspective on the pivotal moments leading up to and following the fall of the Berlin Wall, including attending massive protests and his first visit to West Berlin.
Spurred by a broadcasted precedent of concession to striking soldiers in another barrack, Tilo and his comrades orchestrated what can only be described as a mutiny: a demand for rights, dignity, and acknowledgement of the transformative tide sweeping through East Germany.
The fall of the Berlin Wall is often recounted in grand narratives of geopolitical shifts, but regular Cold War Conversations listeners will know that it is stories like Tilo's that remind us that behind monumental changes are individuals and communities.
Episode extras here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode351/
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This episode is brought to you by the CNN Original Series Secrets & Spies: A Nuclear Game which premieres 2nd June 2024 and is available now on BBC Iplayer). The series tracks the spies operating behind the scenes in the 1980s as the Cold War brings two superpowers to the brink of nuclear war.
This razor-sharp series examines the tenuousness of global geopolitics during the Cold War and features my guest Ken Adelman who served as the Director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency for nearly five years during the Reagan administration.
In our episode, Ken places you face to face with the Soviets during the tense nuclear arms negotiations at the 1986 Reykjavik Summit between President Reagan and Soviet Leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
Planned as a short gathering it quickly developed into major international issues and the possibility of eliminating all nuclear weapons...
Buy Ken's book here https://amzn.to/3R7ei2n
Extra video content here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode350/
Episodes mentioned: 1983 the Year the Cold War Almost Turned Hot https://coldwarconversations.com/episode316/
CNN Original Series Secrets & Spies: A Nuclear Game https://cnncreativemarketing.com/project/secrets-spies/
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Luca Trenta is an associate professor at Swansea University and has recently authored The President's Kill List: Assassination and US Foreign Policy Since 1945. We dig in detail into the contents of the book delving into the history of Cold War CIA operations including instances of electoral interference and assassination.
Our conversation explores key historical episodes, including U.S. actions in Italy, Cuba, Chile, and assassinations in the context of the Cold War.
Case studies feature notable figures such as Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Salvador Allende and René Schneider. Our discussion includes the impact of investigative journalism, the intricacies of covert planning, and the eventual exposure of these actions.
Luca also shares his personal story of a memorable dinner with former President Jimmy Carter.
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I’m a big fan of the History Daily podcast, where my good friend Lindsay Graham takes you back in time to explore a momentous moment that happened ‘on this day’ in history. Visit Historydaily.com or search History Daily in your podcast app to learn more.
As an introduction to History Daily I have selected two Cold War-themed episodes that I know you will enjoy.
The first is the story of the nuclear-powered submarine USS Scorpion which disappeared in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean with 99 men on board on May 22, 1968.
The second is the story of the Velvet Revolution when on November 17, 1989. Police violently shut down a student demonstration in Prague, sparking a revolution that ended communist rule in Czechoslovakia.

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In this fascinating interview, Patrick D. Joyce recounts his unique experience growing up as the son of a U.S. diplomat during the Cold War.
Living in the diplomatic community of the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, and Cuba, Patrick shares vivid memories of his father's career as a Soviet and linguistic expert, who rose to become Deputy Ambassador at both the Moscow and Havana US embassies.
The discussion touches on the juxtaposition of ordinary family life in various U.S. embassies around the world alongside the extraordinary circumstances of espionage and international relations, highlighting the complexities and contradictions of living in hostile countries during tense political times.
The narrative weaves through personal anecdotes, school experiences, interactions with local populations, and the evolving geopolitical landscape, providing a deeply personal lens on historical events.
Episode extras here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode347/
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Patrick D. Joyce is the author of two Cold War thrillers for young adults: Back in the USSR and Strawberry Fields. Learn more about Patrick and his books at https://patrickdjoyce.com. 
Obituary in The Foreign Service Journal for Patrick’s father, John M. “Mike” Joyce: 
https://afsa.org/sites/default/files/flipping_book/070823/90/ 
“The Old Russian Legacy,” by John M. Joyce, in Foreign Policy (1984): 
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1148385 
“La guerra de la CIA contra Cuba,” the 1987 Cuban TV exposé that aired the night before Patrick’s family departed Havana: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdlRcs06-Y
The Washington Post on the Cuban TV exposé: 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/07/25/spy-charges-strain-us-cuban-ties/d1a4ecc6-a7f6-4765-9a74-16a2d925b2eb/
James Olson on Foreign Policy’s I Spy podcast, with a recently revealed backstory to the Cuban TV exposé: 
https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/ispy/?episode=the-counterspy
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0:00 Introduction to Cold War Conversations
00:27 Meet Patrick D Joyce: A Diplomat's Son
01:37 Early Life and Family Background
04:44 Life in the Diplomatic Community
09:06 Experiences in the Soviet Union
19:00 Return to Moscow in the 80s
23:58 Navigating Diplomatic Life
29:06 Reflections and Writing Novels
30:13 Arrival in Managua: A Soviet Satellite
30:52 Life Amidst Conflict: The Contra War
32:41 Navigating Diplomatic Challenges
35:03 Teenage Adventures in a War-Torn City
38:04 Spies Among Us: Embassy Life Revealed
40:46 Transition to Havana: A Diplomatic Shift
42:54 Living in Havana: Between Luxury and Hostility
46:44 A Summer Job in Havana
48:04 Suspicions and Scandals: The Spy Question
54:31 Return to Moscow: A New Era
58:56 Life in Moscow: Socializing and Escaping
01:00:18 Final Departure: A Road Trip to Freedom
01:01:08 Episode Extras and Acknowledgements
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