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The Lie Detectives — Part 2
How do you win campaigns in a world awash with lies? And why do candidates and campaigns struggle to “use their normal brains” when those lies happen to start online?
In the second episode of this two-part conversation, join host Ron Steslow, Mike Madrid, and Sasha Issemberg to discuss the way Democratic political campaigns are adjusting to the challenges of the new information landscape, as Sasha’s reveals in his new book The Lie Detectives: In Search of a Playbook for Winning Elections in the Disinformation Age.
In part 2:
(01:53) What strategists learned about combating disinformation from foreign campaigns
(06:30) How a Brazilian candidate turned a lie about him into a branding opportunity
(17:50)How the Supreme Court in Brazil tried to fight disinformation
(30:00) Who gets to decide what’s a lie online?
(38:17) The use of AI in campaigns and disinformation
Read The Lie Detectives: https://www.sashaissenberg.com/the-lie-detectives
Read The Victory Lab: https://www.sashaissenberg.com/the-victory-lab
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Trouble In The Base — The Weekly Roundup
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This week, we look at Tuesday’s election results and the warning signs for Trump, whether the impeachment inquiry is backfiring on Republicans, and how to talk about “Christian Nationalism”
Joining Ron Steslow on this week’s panel:
Zack Czajkowski (Fmr. Lincoln Project Political Director)
Susan Del Percio (MSNBC political analyst and crisis communications expert)
Lanae Erickson (Senior Vice President for Social Policy, Education, and Politics at Third Way)
Segments this week:
(02:27) Trump’s base weakness
(19:00) Impeachment
(31:41) “Christian Nationalism”
[Politicology+] Should Biden debate Trump?
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Related reading:
Segment 1:
Axios - Trump wins Arizona primary, but Haley takes nearly 19% of the vote - Axios Phoenix
The Guardian - Trump predicts ‘bloodbath’ if he loses election and claims ‘Biden beat Obama’
CNN - Pence says he ‘cannot in good conscience’ endorse Trump | CNN Politics
USA Today - Mike Pence accuses Donald Trump of 'walking away' from the Constitution after refusing to endorse him
Segment 2:
Religion in Public - Christian Nationalism is Both Smear and Savior to Many Christians
Matt Taylor Thread on “Smear and Savior”
Matt Taylor Thread on Dusty Deevers speech
Segment 3:
Axios - Shouting, accusations, a mask: GOP's Hunter Biden hearing erupts into bickering
NBC News - Lev Parnas, ex-Giuliani associate, testified allegations against Bidens are false and 'spread by the Kremlin'
Reuters - Democratic lawmaker dons Putin mask, mocks Republicans at Biden impeachment hearing | Reuters
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[+] Should Biden Debate Trump? [Members Only]
Zack Czajkowski, Susan Del Percio, Lanae Erickson, and Ron Steslow discuss whether whether or not Joe Biden should debate Donald Trump
Related reading:
The Bulwark - Could Biden Beat Trump By Ignoring Him?
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The Lie Detectives — Part 1
How do you win campaigns in a world awash with lies? And why do candidates and campaigns struggle to “use their normal brains” when those lies happen start online?
In this two-part conversation, join host Ron Steslow, Mike Madrid, and Sasha Issemberg to discuss the way Democratic political campaigns are adjusting to the challenges of the new information landscape, as Sasha’s reveals in his new book The Lie Detectives: In Search of a Playbook for Winning Elections in the Disinformation Age.
In part 1:
(02:01) Why Sasha wrote The Lie Detectives
(03:33) The evolution of campaign tactics in the early 2000s
(04:43) The focus on “disinformation” after the 2016 election
(7:10) The Trump campaign’s strategy to depress turnout in 2016, and the difference between “suppression” and “depression.”
(10:36) Strategies for discouraging turnout in 2020
(14:30) How campaigns should decide what wrong information to respond to online
(20:31) The generational shift in campaign decision makers
(30:18) The shift to calling opponents “liars”
Read The Lie Detectives: https://www.sashaissenberg.com/the-lie-detectives
Read The Victory Lab: https://www.sashaissenberg.com/the-victory-lab
Follow Ron, Sasha, and Mike on X (formerly Twitter):
https://twitter.com/RonSteslow
https://twitter.com/sissenberg
https://twitter.com/madrid_mike
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“Fur-Lined Handcuffs” — The Weekly Roundup
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This week, we dive into the nuances of Georgia’s Republican primary, No Labels pushing forward with their plan to draft a presidential candidate, and Donald Trump’s takeover at the RNC
Joining Ron Steslow on week’s panel:
Greg Bluestein (Politics Reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
Lucy Caldwell (Board Advisor to the Renew Democracy Initiative and advisor to the Forward Party)
Segments this week:
(02:14) The Georgia primary
(12:25) No Labels
(34:34) The RNC Purge
[Politicology+] Congress's latest push to ban TikTok
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Related reading:
Segment 1:
The Hill - Haley gets 77K votes in Georgia GOP primary after dropping out of race | The Hill
AJC - PG A.M.: Takeaways from Georgia’s presidential primaries
ABC News - Judge throws out 6 counts of Trump's Georgia election interference indictment - ABC News
NYT - For This Rookie Judge, a Pivotal Decision Looms in the Georgia Trump Case - The New York Times
Segment 2:
WSJ - No Labels Is Expected to Push Ahead With ‘Unity’ Presidential Ticket - WSJ
WSJ - No Labels Considering Georgia Republican Geoff Duncan to Lead ‘Unity’ Presidential Ticket - WSJ
Segment 3:
Politico - RNC installs new leadership as Trump tightens hold on GOP - POLITICO
NYT - Election Updates: Big cuts after Trump’s R.N.C. takeover; Biden goes on offensive. - The New York Times
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[+] What To Do About TikTok? [Members Only]
Greg Bluestein, Lucy Caldwell and Ron Steslow discuss Congress’s push to ban TikTok and the need for cultural shift to value data privacy
Related reading:
NYT - House Passes Bill to Force TikTok Sale From Chinese Owner or Ban the App - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/technology/tiktok-ban-house-vote.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
Politico - Kellyanne Conway advocating for TikTok on Capitol Hill - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/09/kellyanne-conway-tiktok-trump-00146144
NYT - What to Know About the TikTok Bill That the House Passed - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/technology/tiktok-ban-law-congress.html