Impact Pricing

Mark Stiving, Ph.D.
Impact Pricing Podcast

The Impact Pricing Podcast will help you win more business at higher prices by teaching you about pricing and value. Once you understand how your buyers perceive the value of your product, you can build, market and sell products that win at higher prices. Pricing is really about creating, communicating and capturing value.

  1. How Effective Writing Shapes Pricing Strategy with Frank Luby

    5 DAYS AGO

    How Effective Writing Shapes Pricing Strategy with Frank Luby

    Frank Luby is a writing partner and editor for business books, articles, and corporate communication and co-founder and CEO at Present Tense LLC. In this episode, Frank emphasizes the importance of clear and effective writing for pricing professionals, offering techniques like the "10-10" and "Rule of 13" methods to structure writing efficiently. He highlights how good writing can influence decision-making within organizations, often reaching and persuading people beyond initial conversations. Additionally, he underscores the value of listening to customers and understanding their real needs, which can significantly enhance pricing strategies and company success.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Discover practical writing tips and actionable strategies to help you organize and improve your writing, making it more persuasive and impactful. Learn how writing plays a crucial role in influencing and shifting thinking within organizations amplifying your message beyond one-on-one conversations. Gain insights on structuring effective communication, prioritizing the right information in your writing and focusing on making a single point effectively.    "Truly, honestly, listen to customers." - Frank Luby   Topics Covered: 01:33 - How he got into pricing 03:23 - What's his contribution in Hermann Simon's book on pricing 04:21 - Noting two challenging tasks that makes writing about pricing difficult 05:39 - Acknowledging the complexity of the term "value" in pricing 07:36 - Deciding which narrative perspective to use in writing between blogs and books 09:15 - An effective writing technique to engage readers 10:05 - What his role is at the upcoming PPS (Professional Pricing Society) conference 12:09 - Why a pricing director or manager should care about improving their writing skills, even if they feel confident writing emails 14:10 - How writing can have a greater influence than many people realize 15:46 - Sharing two key writing approaches to help people organize their thoughts effectively 18:50 - Comparing writing to architecture 20:03 - Explaining the "Rule of 13" method as a way to test whether a chapter idea can stand alone 21:21 - The concept of prioritizing writing tasks using the acronym "CSR”. 23:01 - Importance of understanding your audience, especially when trying to shift or replace existing strategies in pricing  25:53 - Introducing the 50/500 rule: Making a single, clear point in writing 27:31 - Frank's best pricing advice. 28:24 - Why businesses often don't listen to their customers, despite it being an obvious necessity   Key Takeaways: "I often make the analogy to writing an architecture. And you wouldn't want somebody building your house just by having a bunch of bricks and cement and two by fours delivered. You'd like to see a plan, you'd like to see what they're going to design. And it's hard to change things later on. So, that planning part, especially for a book, is immensely important." - Frank Luby "That's where this 13-method comes in where you can test some of those things that if you can't have those three supporting pieces, or three examples or three ways to elaborate on a particular point, that's your signal right off the bat that that might not carry a chapter." - Frank Luby "The other hint is prioritizing what you want to write about." - Frank Luby "We love simplification and we love to have simple answers and simple descriptions, and no segment of customers, or no individual customer, is really that simple. So, we pick up on the things that we can make easy groups out of and we tend to ignore the rest. And sometimes, the rest we're ignoring is really the vital part of the equation." - Frank Luby   People/Resources Mentioned: Hermann Simon: https://hermannsimon.com Price Management: Strategy, Analysis, Decision, Implementation: https://www.amazon.com/Price-Management-Strategy-Analysis-Implementation/dp/3319994557 Dow Jones: https://www.dowjone

    30 min
  2. Beyond the Label: Understanding Wine Pricing and Consumer Taste with Tim Hanni

    SEP 16

    Beyond the Label: Understanding Wine Pricing and Consumer Taste with Tim Hanni

    Tim Hanni is a trailblazer in the wine industry, renowned for his groundbreaking work in wine education, sensory sciences, and his mission to demystify wine for all. With the prestigious title of Master of Wine, Hanni holds the distinction of being one of the first Americans to earn this credential, marking a significant milestone in his illustrious career. In this episode, Tim shares how perceptions of wine quality are influenced more by psychological and sensory factors than by price, often making expensive wines indistinguishable from cheaper ones in blind tastings. He introduces the concept of "perceptual individualism," explaining how personal differences in taste perception affect wine preferences. Additionally, he highlights the complexities of wine pricing, contrasting the traditional cost-plus approach with the need to consider market perceptions and branding.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Gain insights into wine perception and psychology. Discover the challenges of traditional wine wisdom to understand the wine industry's myths and realities. Learn a comprehensive view on wine pricing contrasting cost-plus pricing with value-based pricing to help you gain insights into the factors that influence wine prices, including production costs, marketing, and consumer perception.   "There are people who buy out on price alone. If it's more expensive, it must be better. But there's an inverse relationship between price and quality." - Tim Hanni   Topics Covered: 02:01 - Discussing the unique nature of wine pricing and how it affects consumer behavior 04:19 - Talking about the impact of wealthy individuals, particularly those from Silicon Valley, entering the wine industry, which he describes as being over-premiumized 06:22 - Discussing the challenges of market segmentation in the wine industry, comparing it to the evolution of the tech industry 10:22 - Critiquing the wine industry's elitism and rigidity, using examples to illustrate how misleading some widely accepted norms are 12:18 - The background and story of 'Two-Buck Chuck' 13:52 - Addressing the often-debated relationship between wine quality and price 16:30 - Introducing the concept of "perceptual individualism"  20:13 - Elaborating on a wine study conducted by Frédéric Brochet at the University of Bordeaux in 2001 24:32 -  How wine pricing is determined, focusing on what he refers to as the "bottom-up approach." 25:48 - Explaining the complexities of wine pricing and how factors beyond production costs influence the final price of a bottle 28:07 - How the complexity of pricing wine remains somewhat elusive   Key Takeaways: “The label's not going to make necessarily all that much of a difference in the margin, but the label plus the provenance." - Tim Hanni “Unequivocally, sweet wine drinkers have the most taste buds. They have the highest perceptual acuity of any consumers at all. And often you are paying an extreme premium for that sweet wine.” - Tim Hanni   People/Resources Mentioned: Julia Child: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Child Trader Joe's: https://www.traderjoes.com/home Fred Franzia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Franzia Charles F. Shaw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Shaw California State Fair Wine Competition: https://calexpostatefair.com/competitions/california-commercial-wine/ Joel Butler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-butler-mw-1697667/ Frederic Brochet: https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Frederic-Brochet-2029425754 California Grape Crush Report: https://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/Specialty_and_Other_Releases/Grapes/Crush/Final/2023/2023_Final_Grape_Crush_Report.pdf Robert Parker: https://www.robertparker.com/about/the-rating-system   Connect with Tim Hanni: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timhannimw/ Website: https://winebusinesseducation.com/  Website: https://www.myvinotype.com/en/   Connect w

    30 min
  3. Get Your Business Exit Ready While Maximizing Its Value with Christine Nicholson

    SEP 9

    Get Your Business Exit Ready While Maximizing Its Value with Christine Nicholson

    Christine Nicholson has a 25-year experience of running companies in multiple sectors. She started, built, and exited multiple successful businesses. She took a business from £0-£4.5m turnover in 15 months. And she also rescued a bankrupt company from millions in debt to an eight-figure exit in under 18 months. More than just experience, she studied hard to become a Chartered Management Accountant with a law degree, a postgraduate degree in Information Systems Management - and a Professionally Accredited and Experienced Business Mentor.  In this episode, Christine shares valuable insights on several key topics related to business valuation and pricing like the owner's emotional attachment, preparing a business for sale and customer feedback for pricing strategies. She provides a balanced view of how to strategically prepare a business for sale, emphasizing the importance of logical pricing decisions and understanding customer value perceptions.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Gain insights on emotional influence in business decisions to help you make more informed, rational decisions that enhance your company's value. Discover actionable tips on how to boost a company's valuation by implementing effective pricing strategies.  Learn the importance of customer engagement to understand their perception of value for better pricing decisions.   "Go and ask your customers what they think of your service. If you were no longer providing this service, what would they be willing to pay for the level of service that they get from someone else?" - Christine Nicholson   Topics Covered: 01:02 - How did she get involved in pricing 03:20 - Discussing a common misconception among business owners regarding the value of their businesses 03:51 - Highlighting a scenario of the emotional complexities and the challenges business owners face when selling their businesses 12:22 - The psychological dynamics involved when business owners try to value their businesses and their services 14:37 - Explaining the key factors that sophisticated buyers look for when purchasing a company 17:22 - Deeper motivations tied to personal beliefs and values other than price when selling a business 19:40 - How adjusting pricing is one of the quickest and easiest ways to improve a business 22:05 - Christine's approach to helping companies fix their pricing strategies which involves more than simply raising prices 24:07 - Addressing the emotional and logical aspects of business decision-making 25:36 - Christine's best pricing advice   Key Takeaways: "When you're talking directly to your customers, you have to talk with your heart because you're dealing with one human being typically to another. " - Christine Nicholson "...if you get your pricing right, then you're going to make more profits; you're going to generate more positive cash flows." - Christine Nicholson "When it comes to selling your business, all the heart is with the seller, and all the logic is with the buyer." - Christine Nicholson "When people put their soul into something, they attach a value to it when they're selling their business; ironically, and completely paradoxically, they don't attach the value of the effort that they put into the business to their customers." - Christine Nicholson "One of the biggest problems that I see from a selling business is where somebody is mentally associating the value of the business by the effort they've put in, but they're not reflecting that correctly in the way that their pricing to their customers." - Christine Nicholson "You need to believe the value that you are giving to your client." - Christine Nicholson "Buyers do not want to buy a job. They are buying an investment that has a hard return on capital. And the more certain they are about the return on capital, the higher the money that they will pay and the faster you'll get the cash in your bank." - Christine Nicholson   Connect with Christine Nichols

    30 min
  4. Listening to Your Market: The Key to Effective Pricing with Patrick Taylor

    SEP 2

    Listening to Your Market: The Key to Effective Pricing with Patrick Taylor

    Patrick Taylor is a global business improvement expert with over 30 years of delivered value leveraging experience across all domains of pricing and margin improvement as well as commercial and financial processes. In this episode, Patrick shares the critical aspects of effective pricing strategies and their impact on business profitability. He emphasizes the importance of understanding both the external market and customer needs when setting prices. He also advocates for the use of various data visualization tools, such as scatterplots and Pareto charts, to analyze pricing effectiveness and identify areas for improvement.    Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Gain insights into customer-focused pricing and understand market conditions when setting prices to align pricing strategies with customer expectations. Learn about profitability metrics and delve into the significance of monitoring profitability by customer and product. Understand sales team dynamics to empower sales teams with the knowledge and tools needed to confidently sell at set prices.   "Listen to your customers, look at your market, look externally first on price." - Patrick Taylor   Topics Covered: 01:14 - Patrick describing his journey into the pricing world 04:01 - Sharing his insights on how pricing has evolved over the years and his fundamental approach to it 07:22 - Emphasizing on the importance of focusing on customer value rather than getting overly caught up in tools like Excel or AI 08:54 - How to motivate executives to focus more on the value they deliver to customers and the decisions those customers have to make 11:58 - Aligning product offerings with customer needs and maximizing revenue opportunities 13:38 - How convincing a CEO to focus on pricing requires demonstrating that there is a real problem 17:34 - Highlighting the importance of using data-driven KPIs and charts to understand pricing behavior and sales performance and important thoughts about price variance 22:09 - What is it about the Pareto chart that he considers it when doing pricing 26:24 - Discussing the importance of focusing on margin dollars over margin percentages, especially when market conditions dictate pricing 29:14 - Patrick's best pricing advice   Key Takeaways: "At the end of the day, from a pricing perspective, the customer only cares about two things. They care about the value they get relative to what they're buying and relative to the next best competitive alternative." - Patrick Taylor "Putting that customer first is the number one thing you've got to do." - Patrick Taylor "You can create the best model in the world, but if it doesn't work easily for your sales team to work, they can't communicate it to their customer; it's a problem." - Patrick Taylor   People/Resources Mentioned: Tom Nagle: https://impactpricing.com/podcast/604-insights-into-value-based-pricing-strategies-for-b2b-with-tom-nagle/ Alteryx: https://www.alteryx.com Google: https://www.google.com/?client=safari Tableau: https://www.tableau.com Pros: https://pros.com   Connect with Patrick Taylor: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickjtaylor/   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

    31 min
  5. Mastering the Nine Boxes: A Strategic Approach to Pricing with David Brown

    AUG 26

    Mastering the Nine Boxes: A Strategic Approach to Pricing with David Brown

    David Brown is the author of "Banned Business Books, Volume 1, Pricing," a fictional account that narrates how a marketer and a pricing guru stand up and optimize the pricing function in a company. In this episode, David shares what his book 'Banned Business Books' is all about highlighting the "Nine Boxes" framework for organizing and executing pricing strategies effectively. He emphasizes the critical role of a Pricing Council in bringing order and clarity to pricing decisions within a company. Additionally, he highlights the value of understanding customers deeply and segmenting them to optimize pricing and business outcomes.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Deep dive into the nine boxes framework, a comprehensive tool for organizing and executing pricing strategies.  Learn the critical importance of understanding your customers as the foundation for effective pricing. Discover how to set up a pricing council and navigate the challenges of pricing in different organizations.   "Don't start thinking that you're going to figure out pricing by looking at margins; start with the customers." - David Brown   Topics Covered: 01:34 - Sharing his pricing journey 03:31 - Discussing the role of finance professionals in relation to pricing and how their focus is on defending and improving margins 06:22 - What made him title his book as Banned Business Books 08:51 - Addressing a critique from Mark about the applicability of his book's content 10:26 - Elaborating on the origin and development of his "nine boxes" framework for pricing 14:09 - Discussing how different aspects of pricing, such as packaging and portfolio optimization fit within his "nine boxes" framework 16:02 - How he continues to use the "nine boxes" as a way to organize and prioritize pricing projects, especially when collaborating with a pricing council 18:07 - Sharing his insights on establishing and maintaining an effective pricing council 20:08 - Agreeing that pricing is a critical function and is often a new and somewhat undefined role 21:04 - Proposing the idea of a pricing council to a CEO 23:08 - David's best pricing advice 25:29 - What the Volume 2 of his book series will focus on   Key Takeaways: "Price setting is critical; that's where you have the opportunity to start claiming the value that you deserve for your innovations." - David Brown "The main thing that the Pricing Council has to have is energy and a purpose; the ones that do the best have a clear mandate, meaning that the decisions that the council takes on price are carried out and are effective across the company." - David Brown "You want to speak with the leaders and the potential figures that are going to be in the pricing council first and understand what makes the company tick and what needs to be fixed before you start fixing things." - David Brown   People/Resources Mentioned: Unilever: https://www.unilever.com.ph Mosaic: https://www.mosaic.com/sustainability American Express: https://www.americanexpress.com Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/ph-en/ Blackberry: https://www.blackberry.com/us/en   Connect with David Brown: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dbrown14/ Website: www.bannedbusinessbooks.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

    27 min
4.8
out of 5
47 Ratings

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The Impact Pricing Podcast will help you win more business at higher prices by teaching you about pricing and value. Once you understand how your buyers perceive the value of your product, you can build, market and sell products that win at higher prices. Pricing is really about creating, communicating and capturing value.

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