The New CISO

Steve Moore

The New CISO is hosted by Exabeam Chief Security Strategist, Steve Moore. A former IT security leader himself, Steve sits down with Chief Information Security Officers to get their take on cybersecurity trends, what it takes to lead security teams and how things are changing in today’s world.

  1. 1D AGO

    From Chef to CISO: Unlocking the Recipe to Security Leadership

    What does sharpening a knife over a case of onions have to do with incident response? For Myke Lyons, CISO at Cribl, the answer is everything. Myke trained at the Culinary Institute of America — learning speed and accuracy under the clock of a professional kitchen — before a summer IT job in Manhattan set him on an entirely different path. In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore traces that journey and the surprising parallels between culinary craft and security leadership. The conversation moves through a career that evolved organically: a summer job moving refrigerator-sized printers in a Manhattan ad agency, a crash course in executive white-glove IT support, a breakthrough moment finally cracking subnetting, and a slow expansion from NOC operator to global security leader. Myke credits the kitchen — its insistence on precision and calm under fire — for instilling an operator's mindset that still defines how he leads through incidents today. Mentorship, both formal and accidental, threads through Myke's story. A curmudgeonly colleague who threatened to "replace him with a script" taught him the value of continuous improvement. A trusted mentor reframed the CISO's role with a single line about house fires and lock changes. And years in executive IT support gave Myke an early education in empathy and knowing when not to fix what wasn't asked. Myke and Steve examine a vendor incident where a product leader's dismissive response to a forensics question destroyed credibility with hundreds of customers. The lesson: saying "I don't know, but we'll find out" is not a weakness — it is the most powerful tool a leader has. The same insight applies to M&A due diligence, where reframing technical conversations as expectation-setting exercises turns adversarial interviews into collaborative ones. For Myke, the new CISO is defined by empathy and culture. Know your audience. Think like your customers. Communicate policy changes as explanations, not mandates. Find your internal advocates and invest in them before you need them. The recipe for great security leadership is less about technology than it is about people — and that lesson translates perfectly from the kitchen to the boardroom. Key Topics • Career pivots: from culinary school to IT and cybersecurity • Speed, accuracy, and craft — what kitchen discipline teaches security professionals • Building an operator's mindset and staying calm during security incidents • White-glove executive IT support and the patience, precision, and empathy it develops • Mentorship — formal and accidental — and the lessons that only land in retrospect • The dangers of filling silence with false confidence vs. the power of saying "I don't know" • Crisis communication best practices and what not to do during a vendor incident call • Managing M&A security due diligence with low-emotion, expectation-setting conversations • Building security culture through empathy, clear communication, and internal advocates • Telemetry, log management, and Cribl's role as the data engine for IT and security Guest Bio Myke Lyons is the Chief Information Security Officer at Cribl, the AI platform for telemetry trusted by organizations worldwide — including half of the Fortune 100 — to manage IT and security data at any scale. He trained at the Culinary Institute of America with aspirations of becoming a food critic — until a summer IT job in Manhattan set him on an entirely different course. Myke went on to build expertise across networking, NOC operations, and log management, holding CISO positions at Snyk and Collibra before joining Cribl in 2024. Connect with Myke on LinkedIn and learn more about Cribl at cribl.io. GET A DEMO: 👉 Get a hands-on demo of the Exabeam products: https://www.exabeam.com/demo 🔔 Subscribe for more product demos and cybersecurity insights! ABOUT EXABEAM: Exabeam is the leader in behavior intelligence for the agentic enterprise. As organizations deploy digital workers and confront machine-speed adversaries, Exabeam applies agent-powered analytics to understand and govern the behavior of both human and non-human insiders. With integrated Exabeam Nova cybersecurity agents, Exabeam delivers flexible, industry-proven solutions for insider threat coverage of humans and agents and faster, more accurate threat detection, investigation, and response (TDIR). As the pioneer of user and entity behavior analytics (UEBA) and the innovator behind Agent Behavior Analytics (ABA), Exabeam is trusted by more than 3,000 enterprises worldwide to reduce risk, secure the digital workforce, and accelerate security operations. Learn more at www.exabeam.com. Exabeam: Real Intelligence. Real Security. Real Fast. CONNECT WITH US: X: https://x.com/exabeam LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/ Blog: https://www.exabeam.com/blog/

    45 min

  2. MAR 12

    Architect and Firefighter: How a Modern CISO Leads in Crisis

    Alan Lucas always wanted to be an architect or a firefighter — as CISO of Worldstream and Greenhouse Datacenters, he has become both. In this episode, he joins host Steve Moore to explore leading cybersecurity at the intersection of design and crisis response. Alan traces his path from Fox-IT through a Dutch cryptocurrency exchange where he arrived post-breach to an organization under near-constant attack from nation-state threat actors. Leading a technically sophisticated but security-anxious leadership team, he learned the lasting power of transparency and directness — and his most memorable measure of success was not a technical control, but a CTO who finally slept through the night. The conversation goes deep into crisis communication. Alan and Steve discuss how the industry has matured from reflexive silence around breaches to embracing transparency as a trust-building tool, the danger of well-meaning legal edits that send customers chasing the wrong narrative, and why the CISO should hold final review over all public incident communications. He also shares his Security Champions Program, tabletop exercise design, and why knowing who to call in a crisis must be mapped out before that crisis arrives. Alan also covers his volunteer work with the DIVD, coaching ethical hackers and supporting responsible disclosure worldwide — an extension of his belief that security, done well, creates trust and enables growth for everyone. The episode closes on "bouncing forward" — the idea that true resilience means using every incident as a forcing function for improvement, not just a return to baseline. Alan frames lessons learned as the most important resilience KPI a security team can own. A masterclass in leading through both calm and chaos. Key Topics • The architect-and-firefighter mindset: building security programs while fighting live fires • Alan's career path from Fox-IT (MSSP) to post-breach CISO at a cryptocurrency exchange • Leading security post-breach — and what "sleeping well again" actually means • The unique threat landscape facing cryptocurrency companies, including nation-state adversaries • The Dutch Institute for Vulnerability Disclosure (DIVD): coordinated, ethical vulnerability disclosure worldwide • Mentoring young ethical hackers: communication, confidence, and responsible disclosure process • Crisis communication: balancing transparency with operational security during active incidents • Why legal edits to breach notifications can mislead customers and create dangerous distractions • The CISO's role as final reviewer of all incident communications • Security Champions Programs: bridging the gap between security and non-technical departments • Tabletop exercise design: running effective simulations in under an hour with non-technical staff • Writing the breach notification letter before the breach happens • Bouncing forward, not bouncing back: using lessons learned as a resilience KPI • Security as a business enabler: positioning the CISO role for organizational growth and confidence Guest Bio Alan Lucas is CISO at Worldstream and Greenhouse Datacenters, two of the Netherlands' leading cloud and data center infrastructure providers. With over a decade of cybersecurity experience, he leads security strategy for mission-critical IT and cloud environments. Prior roles include Fox-IT (MSSP) and LiteBit, a Dutch cryptocurrency exchange where he served as CISO post-breach. Alan also volunteers as a coach at the Dutch Institute for Vulnerability Disclosure (DIVD), mentoring ethical hackers and supporting responsible disclosure globally. He is passionate about security as a catalyst for innovation — and about building a safer digital society, one step at a time. LEARN MORE: 👉 Connect with Alan on LinkedIn. GET A DEMO: 👉 Get a hands-on demo of the Exabeam products: https://www.exabeam.com/demo 🔔 Subscribe for more product demos and cybersecurity insights! ABOUT EXABEAM: Exabeam is a leader in intelligence and automation that powers security operations for the world’s smartest companies. As a global cybersecurity innovator, Exabeam provides industry-proven, security-focused, and flexible solutions for faster, more accurate threat detection, investigation, and response (TDIR). Cutting-edge technology enhances security operations center performance, optimizing workflows and accelerating time to resolution. With consistent leadership in AI innovation and a proven track record in security information and event management (SIEM) and user behavior analytics, Exabeam empowers global security teams to combat cyberthreats, mitigate risk, and streamline operations. Real Intelligence. Real Security. Real Fast. Learn more at: https://www.exabeam.com/ CONNECT WITH US: X/Twitter: https://x.com/exabeam Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/exabeam/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Exabeam/ Blog: https://www.exabeam.com/blog/

    49 min

  3. FEB 19

    Six Steps for Better Communication as a CISO

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Dean Sapp, CISO and Data Protection Officer at Filevine, about one of security's most critical yet overlooked skills—written communication. Drawing from a brutal college English class that failed students for a single typo and over 20 years building security programs in the legal tech industry, Dean reveals why the ability to articulate security findings clearly separates average professionals from exceptional leaders who drive real business impact. After abandoning architecture when he learned it would take six years to become licensed, Dean leveraged his dual skills in computer-aided drafting and IT to launch a career at Novell, eventually earning nine certifications in two years and a master's degree from SANS Institute. His background in design thinking shapes how he approaches security program development—viewing it like building a structure that requires solid foundations, functional systems, and even window dressing like SOC 2 compliance. After interviewing over 100 candidates for SOC positions, Dean identifies the biggest missing skill as the inability to translate security findings into business language executives understand and act upon. He introduces the BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front) principle from military communications, explaining why security professionals have roughly eight seconds to capture executive attention. Dean champions radical transparency through simple frameworks—using stoplight systems or report card grades to communicate security posture, deliberately giving his own program failing marks in areas needing improvement to build trust. Dean tackles operational communication breakdowns that create real security risk, emphasizing mandatory peer review before escalating incidents. This two-person rule dramatically improves report quality while reducing false positives that waste senior leadership time. He shares how this high-standards approach helped Filevine achieve best-in-class cyber insurance rates, with underwriters calling their security program superior to any SaaS provider they'd evaluated. Drawing on Erik Durschmied's "The Hinge Factor," he illustrates how small communication failures doom missions—just as cavalry troops charging cannons failed because not one rider carried the nails and hammer needed to disable them. Throughout the discussion, Dean emphasizes holding yourself to impossibly high standards so that external auditors find you excellent. He advocates for brutal honesty about program gaps, documenting accepted risks clearly, and using tools like Grammarly Premium to improve writing quality. His philosophy combines military precision, architectural thinking, and pedagogical discipline—all in service of making security programs that actually work rather than just looking good on paper. Key Topics Discussed: * Why written communication is security's most critical missing skill * BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front): Capturing executive attention in 8 seconds * Using stoplight or report card systems for transparent board reporting * Giving your security program honest grades to build executive trust * Mandatory peer review before escalation to reduce false positives * How Filevine achieved best-in-class cyber insurance rates * The two-person rule for improving incident report quality * Lessons from "The Hinge Factor" about preparation and tools * Holding impossibly high standards so external auditors find you excellent * Translating technical findings into business impact language LEARN MORE: 👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deansapp Company Website: https://www.filevine.com GET A DEMO: 👉 Get a hands-on demo of the Exabeam products: https://www.exabeam.com/demo 🔔 Subscribe for more product demos and cybersecurity insights! ABOUT EXABEAM: Exabeam is a leader in intelligence and automation that powers security operations for the world’s smartest companies. As a global cybersecurity innovator, Exabeam provides industry-proven, security-focused, and flexible solutions for faster, more accurate threat detection, investigation, and response (TDIR). Cutting-edge technology enhances security operations center performance, optimizing workflows and accelerating time to resolution. With consistent leadership in AI innovation and a proven track record in security information and event management (SIEM) and user behavior analytics, Exabeam empowers global security teams to combat cyberthreats, mitigate risk, and streamline operations. Real Intelligence. Real Security. Real Fast. Learn more at: https://www.exabeam.com/ CONNECT WITH US: X/Twitter: https://x.com/exabeam Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/exabeam/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Exabeam/ Blog: https://www.exabeam.com/blog/

    49 min

  4. JAN 29

    The Four Cs: Why a Schoolteacher Makes a Great CISO

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Manuel "Manu" Ressel, CISO at SAUTER Group, about his unconventional journey from classroom teacher to cybersecurity leader—and why the "Four Cs" of modern education provide a powerful framework for building effective security programs. Drawing from years as both a teacher and school principal in Germany, Manu introduces Critical Thinking, Communication, Collaboration, and Creativity as essential leadership skills that fundamentally challenge how the industry approaches awareness training and incident response. After growing frustrated with Germany's outdated education system that prioritized memorization over critical thinking, Manu left his position as principal and reinvented himself as a digital transformation consultant. Working with schools and mid-sized companies to adopt cloud technologies, he eventually landed the CISO role at SAUTER, an international building automation company with 4,000 employees across multiple countries. The conversation tackles security's most persistent failure: awareness training that doesn't work. Manu reveals that 37% of security incidents in Germany could be prevented if users made better decisions, yet most organizations rely on boring click-through programs. He advocates for scenario-based, role-specific training—an approach now mandated by Europe's NIS 2 regulation—that treats people as the biggest opportunity in cybersecurity rather than the weakest link. One of the episode's most practical frameworks is Manu's Observation-Description-Interpretation method for analyzing security incidents. He explains how humans naturally jump from observation directly to interpretation, skipping the crucial middle step of accurately describing what actually happened. This leads to finger-pointing, misdiagnosis, and hasty decisions. By training security analysts to pause and describe incidents factually first, teams make better decisions and build trust with the business. Manu challenges the punitive approach many organizations take toward security failures, particularly companies that fire employees for repeatedly clicking phishing simulations. He champions building positive fault cultures where employees feel safe reporting mistakes. His three crisis questions—Is anyone dying? Major financial impact? Will someone be hurt?—provide a simple framework for staying calm and deciding when immediate action is necessary versus taking time to think strategically. Key Topics Discussed: Why the "Four Cs" (Critical Thinking, Communication, Collaboration, Creativity) define effective security leadershipThe Observation-Description-Interpretation framework for incident analysis without biasTransforming ineffective awareness training into engaging, scenario-based programsBuilding positive security cultures where employees report issues without fearNIS 2's mandate for role-specific cybersecurity training across organizational levelsWhy Germany and European mid-market companies lag in cloud adoptionThree critical crisis questions: Is anyone dying? Financial impact? Risk of harm?Why punitive phishing training destroys trust and cultural engagementApplying teacher skills to security leadership and de-escalation techniquesStaying calm as a CISO's most important superpower during incidents LEARN MORE: 👉 Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuel-ressel-9279b997/ Company website: https://www.sauter-controls.com/ GET A DEMO: 👉 Get a hands-on demo of the Exabeam products: https://www.exabeam.com/demo 🔔 Subscribe for more product demos and cybersecurity insights! ABOUT EXABEAM: Exabeam is a leader in intelligence and automation that powers security operations for the world’s smartest companies. As a global cybersecurity innovator, Exabeam provides industry-proven, security-focused, and flexible solutions for faster, more accurate threat detection, investigation, and response (TDIR). Cutting-edge technology enhances security operations center performance, optimizing workflows and accelerating time to resolution. With consistent leadership in AI innovation and a proven track record in security information and event management (SIEM) and user behavior analytics, Exabeam empowers global security teams to combat cyberthreats, mitigate risk, and streamline operations. Real Intelligence. Real Security. Real Fast. Learn more at: https://www.exabeam.com/ CONNECT WITH US: X/Twitter: https://x.com/exabeam Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/exabeam/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Exabeam/ Blog: https://www.exabeam.com/blog/

    54 min

  5. JAN 8

    Safety Third: Why Security Shouldn't Be Your Top Priority

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Alex Rice, Founder, CTO, and CISO at HackerOne, about challenging one of cybersecurity's most deeply held beliefs—that security should be the top priority. Drawing from his journey building security programs at Facebook and founding HackerOne, Alex introduces the "safety third" philosophy and explains why accepting that security is never first can actually make you more effective as a leader. Alex shares his unconventional path into cybersecurity, starting as a 14-year-old programmer in rural Florida and eventually leading product security at Facebook during its explosive growth. He reveals how Facebook ran 70+ penetration tests annually with top-tier vendors and still wasn't finding enough vulnerabilities—until they opened the doors to the hacker community and received over 300 valid findings in a single weekend. This experience became the foundation for HackerOne's bug bounty platform. The conversation tackles critical leadership challenges facing modern CISOs, including the toxic tendency toward victim blaming when breaches occur, why security teams struggle with customer-centric design, and how to avoid becoming the team everyone knows only for blocking work and sending phishing tests. Alex argues that security professionals must stop drinking their own Kool-Aid and recognize that usability and business outcomes will always take precedence over security controls. In the episode's second half, Alex addresses AI's role in security operations with refreshing pragmatism. Rather than chasing grandiose AI visions, he advocates for starting with narrow, well-defined tasks where agents can replace security toil—like automated CVSS scoring or vulnerability triage—building trust and expertise before tackling more ambitious projects. He warns against the current trend of AI tools that find more problems when security teams desperately need help fixing the mountain of issues they already know about. Alex also challenges CISOs to stop over-owning problems like asset inventory management that rightfully belong to other executives, emphasizing the importance of cross-functional collaboration over building security-owned solutions that ultimately fail. Throughout the discussion, he champions a philosophy of empathy, customer-centricity, and accepting hard truths about security's actual place in business priorities—a mindset shift that paradoxically makes security leaders far more effective. Key Topics Discussed: Why "safety third" should be every CISO's operating philosophyThe problem with victim blaming in cybersecurity incidentsBuilding customer-centric security programs that enable rather than blockLessons from scaling Facebook's security program with 70 pen tests per yearThe origin story of HackerOne and crowdsourced security testingHow to avoid becoming the security team everyone resentsPractical AI implementation: Starting with toil elimination, not transformationWhy CISOs over-own asset management and other problemsThe importance of process mapping before deploying AI agentsAligning security teams closely with AI and software development

    1h 7m

  6. 12/04/2025

    Just Starting in Security? Here’s What You Need to Succeed

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Iain Paterson, Chief Information Security Officer at Well Health Technologies, about his unconventional path into cybersecurity and the lessons learned from building programs across industries—from banking and healthcare to breach response and beyond. From skipping college to take an eight-month technical boot camp to leading enterprise security programs, Iain shares how curiosity, hands-on experience, and communication skills shaped his journey. He opens up about the realities of hiring in cybersecurity, why foundational IT work still matters, and how soft skills like empathy and composure are essential for effective leadership. Iain also reflects on leading through high-stress incidents, including the Ashley Madison breach, and explains why staying calm, communicating clearly, and maintaining emotional intelligence define the “new CISO.” Key Topics Covered: A nontraditional start: skipping college for certifications and hands-on learningWhy technical foundations—servers, networks, and support—still matterThe problem with “boilerplate” resumes and lack of real-world experienceWhy soft skills are a security superpower: communication, patience, and empathyTransitioning from technician to business enabler in cybersecurityHow early help desk experience builds composure and problem-solving abilityLessons from running vulnerability management in large-scale bankingLearning resilience and resourcefulness as a one-person security team in healthcareBehind the scenes of the Ashley Madison breach: stress, responsibility, and empathyWhy composure, calm communication, and credibility matter in crisis responseThe leadership evolution from technical expert to executive decision-makerBuilding peer networks and finding mentorship to combat isolation as a CISO Iain’s story highlights how real experience, emotional intelligence, and community support transform good technologists into exceptional leaders. His insights remind us that cybersecurity isn’t just about defense—it’s about communication, composure, and connection.

    50 min

  7. 11/13/2025

    Think Outside the Job: How to Shift Your Career Mindset

    In this episode of The New CISO (Episode 137), host Steve Moore speaks with Gideon Knocke, CISO at Visage Imaging, about rethinking how we grow in our careers and why learning to “think outside the job” is key to long-term success. From studying cybersecurity when the field was still new to leading security for millions of patient records in healthcare, Gideon shares how his early curiosity and “career accidents” helped shape his mindset as a modern CISO. He reflects on shifting from technical problem-solving to people-centric leadership, learning how visibility and credibility shape opportunity, and why networking—inside and outside your company—is essential for resilience and growth. Gideon also explains why risk quantification isn’t just about numbers, but about decision-making, communication, and understanding what your organization truly values. Key Topics Covered: Early lessons from studying cybersecurity before it went mainstreamWhy some of the best careers evolve through “happy accidents” and curiosityHow to build visibility and relevance beyond doing good workThe difference between being seen as an asset versus a personHow networking and outreach can transform your mindset and open new doorsTurning fear of public speaking into confidence through preparation and iterationThe leadership balance between taking accountability and fostering team candorWhy large-organization politics can hinder honest communicationThe art of quantifying risk for better decision-making, not just reportingWhy the new CISO must start with company beliefs and build security on shared values Gideon’s journey reveals that career success often comes from stepping outside your comfort zone—whether that’s reaching out to 100 strangers on LinkedIn, giving your first talk, or reframing how you communicate risk. His insights remind leaders that growth begins when you stop thinking only about your job and start thinking about your impact.

    52 min

  8. 10/23/2025

    Pick Your Pain: A Methodical Approach to Career Growth

    In this episode of The New CISO (Episode 136), host Steve Moore speaks with Carl Cahill, CISO, about a deliberate, methodical approach to career growth—and why every leader must “pick their pain” to progress. From combat arms in the U.S. Army to Active Directory engineering and large-enterprise incident response, Carl shares the pivotal choices that shaped his leadership. He opens up about moving from certifications to business fluency, using a personal gap analysis to chart his path to the C-suite, and how feedback like being called a “propeller head” pushed him to translate geek speak into the language of finance, law, and strategy. Carl also explains his five-phase 100-day plan, why IR readiness comes first, and how “radical collaboration” defines the modern CISO. Key Topics Covered: Early career pivots: Army leadership, perseverance, and precision → IT foundationsCertifications as a fast track (then) vs. blended learning and passion projects (now)The “pick your pain” decision: staying comfortable vs. returning to school to advanceBuilding a CISO gap analysis from job reqs and targeting stretch assignmentsUpgrading the lexicon: finance, legal, and general management (e.g., Wharton GMP)Turning tough feedback into growth: from geek speak to boardroom dialogueConsulting variety vs. ownership: when to switch for long-term impactThe 100-day plan: assess → plan → act → measure → adjust (with IR first)Stakeholder mapping, team SWOTs, and making strategy stick beyond 90 daysMetrics as a “health language” and why today’s CISO must be a radical collaborator Carl’s story shows how intentional trade-offs—education, language, and leadership style—compound into career momentum. His roadmap helps CISOs and aspiring leaders navigate transitions with discipline, communicate across the business, and build resilient teams that lead with clarity.

    45 min
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The New CISO is hosted by Exabeam Chief Security Strategist, Steve Moore. A former IT security leader himself, Steve sits down with Chief Information Security Officers to get their take on cybersecurity trends, what it takes to lead security teams and how things are changing in today’s world.

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